WestChesterReef
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thanks for the update Mammoth, keep us informed
AEFW - zeo treatment worth it?
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MammothReefer
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Ha it's funny that you say that as well I only found my Red bugs looking for AEFW.. Double wammy, actually found some Monti nudis a few weeks back in the frag tank but quashed that really fast. My tank is like a dive bar, once the word gets out I let in the bums, all the scum shows up hahaha.
The new AEFW were spread across 5-10 frags (i lost count really) in the frag tank, last time I found them (just before the treatment) I found them all on a single piece in the DT. I had found them before in the frag tank (once) but only in small numbers. This time I would say there were at least a dozen adults, no eggs. I only saw the tell tale bite marks on my "copps tri colour valida" (No I did not get the AEFW from him). They were along the underside where it is smooth. I found them on my PM, some millis, and some stags as well but while some of those had a little recession none had any of the circular bite marks.
The new AEFW were spread across 5-10 frags (i lost count really) in the frag tank, last time I found them (just before the treatment) I found them all on a single piece in the DT. I had found them before in the frag tank (once) but only in small numbers. This time I would say there were at least a dozen adults, no eggs. I only saw the tell tale bite marks on my "copps tri colour valida" (No I did not get the AEFW from him). They were along the underside where it is smooth. I found them on my PM, some millis, and some stags as well but while some of those had a little recession none had any of the circular bite marks.
MammothReefer
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do you dose the flatworm stop in your main tank ? or both main tank and frag tank ?
could it be that they ran away from DT and took fuge in the frag tank ?
[trying to think positive]
They share a common sump but even so I split the dose between the frag tank, and the DT, Dosing 3-3.2 ml to DT and .3-.5 ml to the frag tank just in case my filter sock could some how prevent it from going between the 2 systems. I did however move a couple pieces over from the DT to the Frag tank, and vice versa last week.
fishguy597
Member
Has anyone using this noticed their skimmer losing the foam head after adding? Then after a while the skimmer going nuts? I have been using this stuff for a week and this is what I have noticed. I have been also adding oyster eggs and (sorry brainfart can't remember the name) aka coral crack. These are the only changes I have done recently. just an FYI I haven't seen any aefw. I did have rtn happen to 5 corals and I'm not sure why. but none the less they were dead in 24 hours. By the time I got my fs I had a few other corals starting to show albums of rtn and it seems to have subsided . I figured that its supposed to help the immune system so why not give it a shot along with some good nutrients. just thought I would share my experience so far.
MammothReefer
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No I can't say that I have noticed that, although my skimmer is very touchy if I put my hands it the water it drops foam head.
ostrow
It's Dr. Goodluck Himself
Well, on RB and AEFW... I am one of legions who used Interceptor vs RB, despite healthy corals with zero sign of damage or stress. After Interceptor had rapid massive coral loss, starting with milles, due to AEFW. I had not added coral or rock for 6 mos prior to this sequence. I find RB to be non-harmful whatsoever and see no conclusive evidence anywhere to the contrary. But all of this is OT.
Here is my question, why the constant search for chemicals vs such things? One dancing shrimp per 50gal, plus a cosmetus wrasse per 100 gal, and AEFW problem solved. My tank is proof. Blasting shows no bugs after 3 months, been 7 months now.
Here is my question, why the constant search for chemicals vs such things? One dancing shrimp per 50gal, plus a cosmetus wrasse per 100 gal, and AEFW problem solved. My tank is proof. Blasting shows no bugs after 3 months, been 7 months now.
MammothReefer
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I was under the impression that dancing/camleback shrimp will eat the acrporas after there is no more flat worms?
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1250580&highlight=aefw+predator+found
http://www.korallen-zucht.de/index.php?article_id=52&clang=1
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1250580&highlight=aefw+predator+found
http://www.korallen-zucht.de/index.php?article_id=52&clang=1
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Atomikk
SPS OG
Put in a Hummu Hummu trigger, and the problem is solved. LOL.
On a serious note, shrimps in general are great for scouring for eggs/bugs in your reef. Plus wrasses do a great job at cleaning surfaces of your corals.
EX, look up Leopard wrasse. They are searching any surface that resembles a meaty treat. I got one and its incredible how much attention they give per one small area of your tank. Put in a few in there, and you will eradicate your problem.
ostrow
It's Dr. Goodluck Himself
I feed my tank well. They never touch my corals. Crazy growth.
correctamundo
In Memoriam
cosmetus wrasse would be the best for eating aefw?
would you have another suggestion?
Dont have them now, but I'd like a preventative fish in there
would you have another suggestion?
Dont have them now, but I'd like a preventative fish in there
nonimmigrant
New member
+1 I've never used anything more than a Halichoeres wrasse to control AEFW. I've not had a one in 5 years...
MammothReefer
Active member
month in now, aefw are the worst they have been yet. I think this stuff just ticks them off haha.. On a serious note I've had to go back to dipping even basting isn't working that well anymore. Using half doses of revive thinking of switching to bayer, or melafix. My red bugs are also on the rise, time to interceptor the tank.
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WestChesterReef
Member
Central aquatics gave me a full refund, snake oil IMO
Cardiff R33
New member
not good mammoth, i have found more damage myself. Today i am ordereing a cosmetus wrasse and some dancing shrimp, maybe four of them.
Really want to get rid of these before my upgrade comes
Really want to get rid of these before my upgrade comes
sahin
Ultimate Reefer
Melafix Marine by API claims to be an in tank treatment for flatworms. I bought a bottle about 6 months ago but never got to test it as I lost all my SPS due to a different issue.
I'm sorry to learn that the KZ stuff didnt work for you. I'm also kind of annoyed that this stuff is perhaps snake oil. I have used some of the KZ stuff like Coral Vitaliser, Coral Snow and Sponge Power and like those three products, but I think this one is pretty much useless...Very disappointing.
Allmost
New member
yes, if something doesnt work for someone, its snake oil, doesnt matter how many others it worked for.
my tank is ran with Zeovit, and ever since dosing this, I see no more AEFW, nor red bugs, and corals are alot more colorful.
are amino acids snake oil ? cause some ppl dose it and get algae and no boost in coral growth, but when I dose it my corals grow faster ?
I dunno ...
one note though, is that you should put this [FWS] as a food source. not mineral source. and as we all know, all types of flatworms and red bugs and planaria multiply ALOT faster when there is too much "food" in water! so perhaps something to look at. I had to cut down on my Xtra dosing, and stop dosing CV one week into dosing this.
my tank is ran with Zeovit, and ever since dosing this, I see no more AEFW, nor red bugs, and corals are alot more colorful.
are amino acids snake oil ? cause some ppl dose it and get algae and no boost in coral growth, but when I dose it my corals grow faster ?
I dunno ...
one note though, is that you should put this [FWS] as a food source. not mineral source. and as we all know, all types of flatworms and red bugs and planaria multiply ALOT faster when there is too much "food" in water! so perhaps something to look at. I had to cut down on my Xtra dosing, and stop dosing CV one week into dosing this.
MammothReefer
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Huh I was going to use it as a dip per Steve Garrets recommendations.
http://www.garretts-acropolis.com/Quarantine_info.htm
As far as flatworm stop. I still have 2 more months to go so the jury is still out, but this is where things are at so far. I'm not going to give up, and will update with any changes.
http://www.garretts-acropolis.com/Quarantine_info.htm
As far as flatworm stop. I still have 2 more months to go so the jury is still out, but this is where things are at so far. I'm not going to give up, and will update with any changes.
MammothReefer
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You bring up a very good point that I posted on the zeo forum. It seems to me the only people that are claiming the appearance are those that are running full zeo tanks. This product was marketed as a stand alone solution but maybe that isn't the case. I wonder if there was any testing done on non-zeo tanks.
Granted I do feel like I'm stretching here, but as I said on the other forum maybe all this does is illict a feeding response from the corals or allow them to some how feed more on whatever you are already adding to the tank. For those of us who aren't adding, AA, Phols, or whatever else you have present in your system we are getting a whole lot of nothing. The one thing I can attest to is hyper polyp extension after dosing.
With that said, there are only 2-3 people I've seen claim any sort of result with this product and since it's cross forum who knows if it's the same people using different user names on different forums (my name on rc is different then all other forums). I've felt I needed to INCREASE my feeding as of late my nutrients are holding at 0 nitrate 0 phosphate (which is unusual for me), and I'm seeing some corals (all be it a very small minority a few) going pale (not the typical zeo pastel), but more of a washed out look.
I don't know either, but I still have 2 more months to go. I just can't afford to sit back and hope this stuff works I need to take action to at least keep them in check long enough for whatever flatworm stop should do to happen.
