Algae Scrubber Advanced

I've been skipping through this thread and it's been nice to see how much info is being collected, but how do you measure iron in your seawater?
 
I've been skipping through this thread and it's been nice to see how much info is being collected, but how do you measure iron in your seawater?

I am going by the color of my algae ATM. I think they do have iron tests though... Fe+
 
As I said I would get around to picking through the basics thread for topics to discuss here.

Algae Scrubbing used on an industrial level. These systems are proven to remove some nasty stuff from farm run off.

If people haven't seen a water treatment facility
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This image is from http://www.algalturfscrubber.com/

Also here is a quote from the algal turf scrubber site...

"...the ATS algal product can also be converted to paper and construction materials and can be used to sequester carbon and heavy metals as well as break-down toxic hydrocarbons. ATS-produced algae can be converted to energy products such as biodiesel, gasohol and methane."
 
Please watch this inspiring video I watched that was the nail in the coffin for me when I was on the fence about building a scrubber.

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The related video
 
http://www.physicsegypt.org/epc08/epc823.pdf

Another great document, short only 10 pages. It was written by Walter Adey, Phd, Jeffrey Bannon, MESM and Longenecker and Associate.

My favorite quotes and highlights

"it is important to note that this is a modular system, capable of expanding to any size."

I don't think they realized how small we would take it... :D

"A 2005 independent study of ATS, by the South Florida Water Management District and the IFAS Institute of the University of Florida, certified ATS as 5-100 times more cost efficient at removing nutrients from Everglades canal waters than the next competitor, the STA, a managed marsh system."


a marsh looks a lot like a refuge doesn't it?

"ATS and STA were the final contestants in a 15-year study of nine technologies, and ATS was the only technology that created a usable byproduct."

We are green both literately and figuratively!

"ATS removes heavy metals, break down toxic hydrocarbons, and oxygenates treated waters."

...but we already knew that... ;)

"Depending upon season and temperature, the resulting algal turf must be harvested every 5-15 days to maintain high levels of productivity."


I have reason to believe that my system may benefit from a 5 day cleaning cycle. I will soon began testing this theory. I notice the algae on day 6 and 7 darken considerably. Yet on day 5 it is bright green in color.
 
"The above information is supported by dozens of experimental studies and hundreds of years of operational time (i.e., multiple ATS over 25 years of operation). Moreover, ATS systems have received over 15 years of research and development testing followed by a ten-year history of pilot plant construction and operation for water quality control. This not only includes ATS systems for water treatment, but also for aquaculture."

Tested for quite some time now...

"As in most photosynthesis, algal turfs abundantly release oxygen; in ATS systems, oxygen is dissolved into the overflowing water. It is not unusual for water flowing off an ATS plant in the afternoon to be highly supersaturated."


"ATS systems are well known for their abilities to “scrub” nitrogen and phosphorus. Their lack of sensitivity to nutrient concentration, until extremely low levels are achieved, provides the ability to accomplish high water purity."

"It has been known for a half century that algal cell walls adsorb heavy metals, and it is a characteristic of ATS phytoremediation, that heavy metals are removed from treated waters and sequestered into the algal biomass. This is an added value of ATS water cleaning, especially in waters with an industrial or urban component."

"ATS systems with high oxygen supersaturation break down entrained hydrocarbons. There is an extensive general research literature on this process, and a single ATS research study in the late 1990’s demonstrated that when combined with artificial ultraviolet, ATS systems have considerable capability of breaking down a variety of chlorinated hydrocarbons."

:) Hey that's us! ^^^
 
Another very interesting video, not a direct ATS system, but more of a production line approach with an algae scrubber feel.

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http://www.seafriends.org.nz/oceano/seawater.htm#composition

According to this link, NSW has an iron concentration of 0.0034 ppm. I'd be leery of greatly elevating anything from NSW levels. I'd never dose anything that would not be measured, just my opinion.

IIRC, is it very difficult to maintain any level of measurable iron in a reef system, but I can't recall why this is. It just absorbed into everything very quickly, so it's really hard to overdose. In fact, one person did an experiment to see exactly how much you could dose in one shot before it was detrimental to the system, and it turns out that about 1 gallon added to a 90 gallon system will do a lot of harm to your corals, but won't completely kill them.
 
IIRC, is it very difficult to maintain any level of measurable iron in a reef system, but I can't recall why this is. It just absorbed into everything very quickly, so it's really hard to overdose. In fact, one person did an experiment to see exactly how much you could dose in one shot before it was detrimental to the system, and it turns out that about 1 gallon added to a 90 gallon system will do a lot of harm to your corals, but won't completely kill them.

Some of them did get jacked up pretty bad lol. I forgot about that experiment. I'm going to go search that out again. He has put that 90 gallon through some stuff in the name of science! Still looks great though. That eel he has is amazing.
 
Has anyone been able to find a affordable LED light source for your ATS? I am very interested in being able to use LED lighting mainly because of the energy savings. Also because i don't enjoy having to change out 8 CFL bulbs every 6 months to a year.
 
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right now the cheapest place I've seen is e-shine systems. But they only communicate via e-mail or chat through a translator and who knows the quality of the LEDs from taiwan/china. I know a few are being tried out right now. One other product was tried and it the fixture fried after a month or so because of moisture. Most 1W or 2W LED grow light fixtures have a fan to cool the PCB so you can't really use them in an open scrubber design, or even over an open sump where moisture gets drawn into the fixture. So the LED fixture route is really something that takes a little forethought.
 
IIRC, is it very difficult to maintain any level of measurable iron in a reef system, but I can't recall why this is. It just absorbed into everything very quickly, so it's really hard to overdose. In fact, one person did an experiment to see exactly how much you could dose in one shot before it was detrimental to the system, and it turns out that about 1 gallon added to a 90 gallon system will do a lot of harm to your corals, but won't completely kill them.

One gallon at what concentration?
 
any new breakthroughs on the ATS? I was going through some figures and though the ATS is a great option for the tank as i used to run one till about 2 weeks ago, the ATS uses more energy and cost of bulbs per year will end up costing you more than a Skimmer. I'm all about energy efficiency and saving a buck, but i think that a LED solution needs to be made. I seen on Cutter.com.au that CREE has released these to grow plants http://www.theledstore.com.au/category_s/35.htm so it may work with a scrubber. I'll be ordering some near the end of the year when i put in a large order for a customers tank that I am building.

it uses: 3 Red 625nm, 1 450nm Royal Blue , 1 Red 660nm
 
Actually if you read that closely, you get 3x 625 cree red, 1x 425 cree RB, and one triple 5w ledengin 660 deep red (which is 3 5w chips on a common PCB). That actually looks like a good mix. You get a 6:1 ratio of red:blue with the red 50:50. That's for the Kit 1. The larger kits you get it seems the go more blue, which is the wrong direction - you want ideally 7:1 red:blue. the DR LEDs are less intense than the 625s so having the 5w triple-chips is probably comparable to the regular reds. I think those would be a good buy for a DIY kit, and just thin out the RBs - use them on your display or make a nice moonlight kit :)

Still, they're 3W which IMO is too intense and you have to stand those off the screen quite a bit. You should only need 1/2 the wattage to compare to fluorescent. Then use the new sizing guidelines (based on feeding) and concentrate down your screen to get good mixture of the LEDs and you're good to go.

On my end, I have hardly had the chance to unbox my fixtures and play with them, let alone build an enclosure and setup my test. bummer.
 
I saw a built fixture using similar LEDs but they were much less spread out. Those are likely smaller than 1w LEDs but they're very close together, so that might actually work OK. They're in a 3:1 r:b ratio but that's not the end of the world. I wonder if you could get that kit with more red and less blue.

Either way you cut it, that tightness of the LEDs is what you would need with the low power ones like those. Not too many have had success with low power yet (<1w LEDs)
 
add: that fixture has 272 LEDs and draws 14 watts. That makes those 0.05W LEDs. it might be worth a shot if you had $45 to throw around an test it out. Probably would do about as good as a 23 or 26W CFL.
 
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