Algae Scrubber Basics

Is that before or after cleaning? I'm assuming it's before.

Also did you clean at 7 days or is this 14 days of growth?

Looks like the screen has a good base started. Cleaning at this point should be very gentle, you don't want to scrub it down to the bare screen, just rinsing until gentle running water and a light rub with fingertips is all you want to do. You want to get any loose algae strands off (especially darker ones).

As long as it doesn't get a coating of dark algae that blocks the light to the lower layers, you can probably let it grow out for a few extra days past 7. I am pretty stringent myself about cleaning every 7 days still, a gentle cleaning even if it doesn't look like it needs it won't hurt. When you start getting a good base of green, the holes will start to fill in, and that's when you can start doing a little more rigorous cleaning.

When I started my screen, I did fingertips only until there were GHA strands that would not detach, then I use the backs of my fingernails to scrape a little of that off, and when that was getting tough, I switched to a scraper (that was around 4-5 weeks)
 
Very interesting video

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB2XlpD-Ld4
 
ATS After 3 Weeks

It has finally happened. I have destroyed the Cyano in my Display, and i did so faster than Rome massacred Hannibal in Carthage. And you know what i owe it all to? This wonderful concept of an Algae Turf Scrubber. I have not even received tremendous growth on the screen yet, but it has sucked all my nutrients out of the tank like a tiny sponge, and here is how I did it.

The Process. Part 1

It all started with this awesome thread. It is full of amazing innovative ideas and many people have contributed to the concept. After much reading and basically reading all of the thread, i decided to jump the gun, grabbed my wallet and made one of those lengthy trips to Lowes. Here are the materials i bought with costs...

Piping

3/4" PVC pipe- 2.50

1" PVC pipe- 3

4 3/4" elbows- 1.50

3/4" T- 0.50

3/4" TRUE UNION ball valve- 5.50

1"-3/4" adapter- 0.30

1" coupling- 0.30

1" cap- 0.50

Lighting

Two small reflectors with socket- 7.00 each

Two 23w 2700k CFL bulbs

Misc

Metal hole saw- 7.00

PVC primer and cement- 8.00

White Plastic Canvas- 2.50


Now here is the build. I chose to pick a 48 sq in screen, making it 6"w x 8"h. I first cut the screen to size and roughed it up drastically. I remember Foaly said that after you are done roughing you should get a handful of plastic, and i thought he was exaggerating until i did it myself. Do not be shy with the hole saw, and do not be afraid to rough it so hard you teach it not smooth-en up again. Make it your son. Teach it who is boss. Then you will get a handful of plastic.

The PVC Cutting Slot. Part 2

This is the most pain in the butt part. I had to repeat it about 3 times before i got it right. My weapon of choice was a Hilti handheld circular saw. It was pretty tough to make it perfect and equal thickness throughout the slot. It was supposed to be 1/8" thick, which when i measured it it was basically the thickness of the line I drew with the Sharpie. I held the pipe with one hand, and the saw with the other and slowly lowered the saw to the cut. I made it exactly 6" wide so there is no spray of water not falling on the screen.

Again it took me three tries to finally master it, but i did it!! Dont be afraid, PVC is pretty cheap.

The Assembly. Part 3

This was quite easy and took me a couple of hours with measurements and cutting and gluing. Here are pictures of how i made it. First, here is the pipe from the return.

IMG_2111.jpg


As you can see, i simply elbowed to a horizontal then to a T. The T continues to the ball valve, and the leg of the T goes up to my DT, allowing for absolute control over the scrubber flow.

Now another important part of the scrubber is the ability to level it. Keeping it level is the only way for there to be even flow throughout the scrubber. And here is how i did it.

My stand has a center beam on the top right underneath the center brace of the tank itself. I screwed a hook into the brace and took a 22 gauge wire and twisted a knot. The tighter i make the knot, the smaller the suspender becomes so it raises the scrubber. This is how i did it, with pictures!!

IMG_2112.jpg


IMG_2113.jpg


This has worked great for me, and it never comes loose because there is unbelievable amount of friction between wire. I have pulled it down with all my force and it did not come loose, so i think it will hold some algae.

Adjusting flow is easy, just with the ball valve. Even with it fully open, some water still goes to the tank. IMHO opinion, this is the best setup for a scrubber, as it circulates water through your sump, makes sure all tan kwater goes through the scrubber, and it a good way to get flow to a LR section of the sump. It also admits very clean water back to the DT and whatever water makes it through the scrubber can come back through the scrubber again.

Finally, the lighting. This was the easiest part of the setup. Simply add the reflector to the tank, and put it on a timer for 18h a day at night while the tank light it off.

Clean the scrubber every week. I clean it every Wed, and the first two weeks clean with your fingers. The third week start using a credit card or something. Be patient, it is not magical, it will start to grow algae eventually.

An ATS does wonders for your tank. I have seen instant water clarity, as well as instant drop in nutrients in nitrate. I went from 30ppm to 5ppm in 3 weeks. But best of all, after one year of battle, MY CYANO IS GONE!!! It was a tough battle but i pulled it off with this great technique.

I can recommend an ATS for anyone, with any tank and any need. Even with a skimmer and a refugium, it is a great supplementary filter. No need for GFO and other media with an ATS however. I do run a skimmer, and the skimmer is still my main source of filtration with the ATS complimenting it. Dont be afraid to start this project. It is fun, easy and cheap!! it will cost less than a GFO reactor. Good luck!!!
 
I can recommend an ATS for anyone, with any tank and any need. Even with a skimmer and a refugium, it is a great supplementary filter. No need for GFO and other media with an ATS however. I do run a skimmer, and the skimmer is still my main source of filtration with the ATS complimenting it. Dont be afraid to start this project. It is fun, easy and cheap!! it will cost less than a GFO reactor. Good luck!!!

I think you might of just convinced me to incorporate one into my new tank :thumbsup:
 
I have some thoughts/questions on the "new" airstone version of the scrubber but I am not up to speed on the two threads in this forum any more. Really, I just want to pick the brains of people who have already used it and discuss advantages/disadvantages compared to the "old" design. Where do you regulars think this discussion belongs? Here or in the advanced thread?
 
I have some thoughts/questions on the "new" airstone version of the scrubber but I am not up to speed on the two threads in this forum any more. Really, I just want to pick the brains of people who have already used it and discuss advantages/disadvantages compared to the "old" design. Where do you regulars think this discussion belongs? Here or in the advanced thread?



So far im pretty impressed with the idea of the UAS. The algae is always in water is the best thing i can think of as a positive. I am only running one side now as i have it in the sump but i will be building a acrylic box here soon to run double sided led. Mine is a little over a week old and i have green already. There is alot of possibilities with this design.
 
I have some thoughts/questions on the "new" airstone version of the scrubber but I am not up to speed on the two threads in this forum any more. Really, I just want to pick the brains of people who have already used it and discuss advantages/disadvantages compared to the "old" design. Where do you regulars think this discussion belongs? Here or in the advanced thread?

We can discuss it here, as far as I am concerned we have beat the waterfall design up enough. :deadhorse1:

If someone doesn't get the point by now! Then I am not sure they never will... The tons of others who have posted success stories demonstrated that the information posted in this thread will help people successfully build one.

To be honest, I have been thinking of pinging you. You still having issues growing green? We spoke about seeding, and I said it shouldn't be needed... etc... Just wondering if it started to grow green, or if you decided to try and seed your screen.
 
I have a few issues with my UAS that I have discovered...

One the algae growing on the screen is very loosely attached and comes off in clumps. I will post a pic tonight when I get home, but I found a large clump that must have been bumped off by the mollies. In my test tank they have been non-stop eating the algae from the screen so its hard to know how much has grown. I will be buying something soon to keep them from getting to the screen.

Floyd I am sure will agree, not sure that he has posted his cleaning videos here yet.
 
To be honest, I have been thinking of pinging you. You still having issues growing green? We spoke about seeding, and I said it shouldn't be needed... etc... Just wondering if it started to grow green, or if you decided to try and seed your screen.

Also from videos and research I have been doing, I have learned that blown algae filters water also, and doesn't do a horrible job of it either.... just not as good on green algae seems to...

Although, videos like the one I just posted a few back helps me feel comfortable in my statement of not needing your screen to be seeded, even more so if live rock was introduced into the tank.
 
ATS After 3 Weeks

It has finally happened. I have destroyed the Cyano in my Display, and i did so faster than Rome massacred Hannibal in Carthage. And you know what i owe it all to? This wonderful concept of an Algae Turf Scrubber. I have not even received tremendous growth on the screen yet, but it has sucked all my nutrients out of the tank like a tiny sponge, and here is how I did it.

The Process. Part 1

It all started with this awesome thread. It is full of amazing innovative ideas and many people have contributed to the concept. After much reading and basically reading all of the thread, i decided to jump the gun, grabbed my wallet and made one of those lengthy trips to Lowes. Here are the materials i bought with costs...

Piping

3/4" PVC pipe- 2.50

1" PVC pipe- 3

4 3/4" elbows- 1.50

3/4" T- 0.50

3/4" TRUE UNION ball valve- 5.50

1"-3/4" adapter- 0.30

1" coupling- 0.30

1" cap- 0.50

Lighting

Two small reflectors with socket- 7.00 each

Two 23w 2700k CFL bulbs

Misc

Metal hole saw- 7.00

PVC primer and cement- 8.00

White Plastic Canvas- 2.50


Now here is the build. I chose to pick a 48 sq in screen, making it 6"w x 8"h. I first cut the screen to size and roughed it up drastically. I remember Foaly said that after you are done roughing you should get a handful of plastic, and i thought he was exaggerating until i did it myself. Do not be shy with the hole saw, and do not be afraid to rough it so hard you teach it not smooth-en up again. Make it your son. Teach it who is boss. Then you will get a handful of plastic.

The PVC Cutting Slot. Part 2

This is the most pain in the butt part. I had to repeat it about 3 times before i got it right. My weapon of choice was a Hilti handheld circular saw. It was pretty tough to make it perfect and equal thickness throughout the slot. It was supposed to be 1/8" thick, which when i measured it it was basically the thickness of the line I drew with the Sharpie. I held the pipe with one hand, and the saw with the other and slowly lowered the saw to the cut. I made it exactly 6" wide so there is no spray of water not falling on the screen.

Again it took me three tries to finally master it, but i did it!! Dont be afraid, PVC is pretty cheap.

The Assembly. Part 3

This was quite easy and took me a couple of hours with measurements and cutting and gluing. Here are pictures of how i made it. First, here is the pipe from the return.

IMG_2111.jpg


As you can see, i simply elbowed to a horizontal then to a T. The T continues to the ball valve, and the leg of the T goes up to my DT, allowing for absolute control over the scrubber flow.

Now another important part of the scrubber is the ability to level it. Keeping it level is the only way for there to be even flow throughout the scrubber. And here is how i did it.

My stand has a center beam on the top right underneath the center brace of the tank itself. I screwed a hook into the brace and took a 22 gauge wire and twisted a knot. The tighter i make the knot, the smaller the suspender becomes so it raises the scrubber. This is how i did it, with pictures!!

IMG_2112.jpg


IMG_2113.jpg


This has worked great for me, and it never comes loose because there is unbelievable amount of friction between wire. I have pulled it down with all my force and it did not come loose, so i think it will hold some algae.

Adjusting flow is easy, just with the ball valve. Even with it fully open, some water still goes to the tank. IMHO opinion, this is the best setup for a scrubber, as it circulates water through your sump, makes sure all tan kwater goes through the scrubber, and it a good way to get flow to a LR section of the sump. It also admits very clean water back to the DT and whatever water makes it through the scrubber can come back through the scrubber again.

Finally, the lighting. This was the easiest part of the setup. Simply add the reflector to the tank, and put it on a timer for 18h a day at night while the tank light it off.

Clean the scrubber every week. I clean it every Wed, and the first two weeks clean with your fingers. The third week start using a credit card or something. Be patient, it is not magical, it will start to grow algae eventually.

An ATS does wonders for your tank. I have seen instant water clarity, as well as instant drop in nutrients in nitrate. I went from 30ppm to 5ppm in 3 weeks. But best of all, after one year of battle, MY CYANO IS GONE!!! It was a tough battle but i pulled it off with this great technique.

I can recommend an ATS for anyone, with any tank and any need. Even with a skimmer and a refugium, it is a great supplementary filter. No need for GFO and other media with an ATS however. I do run a skimmer, and the skimmer is still my main source of filtration with the ATS complimenting it. Dont be afraid to start this project. It is fun, easy and cheap!! it will cost less than a GFO reactor. Good luck!!!

Great news, thank you for posting! Before and after shots are great if you have them.
 
Is that before or after cleaning? I'm assuming it's before.

Also did you clean at 7 days or is this 14 days of growth?

Looks like the screen has a good base started. Cleaning at this point should be very gentle, you don't want to scrub it down to the bare screen, just rinsing until gentle running water and a light rub with fingertips is all you want to do. You want to get any loose algae strands off (especially darker ones).

As long as it doesn't get a coating of dark algae that blocks the light to the lower layers, you can probably let it grow out for a few extra days past 7. I am pretty stringent myself about cleaning every 7 days still, a gentle cleaning even if it doesn't look like it needs it won't hurt. When you start getting a good base of green, the holes will start to fill in, and that's when you can start doing a little more rigorous cleaning.

When I started my screen, I did fingertips only until there were GHA strands that would not detach, then I use the backs of my fingernails to scrape a little of that off, and when that was getting tough, I switched to a scraper (that was around 4-5 weeks)

It was before cleaning, however, I think I over cleaned at day 7. even at 2nd week I was using kitchen utensil to clean it. Glad to see your respond, so now I will pay more gentle to the screen. Thx.
 
i got mine up and running 2 weeks ago a waterfall style and my GHA had to be scraped of on my 1st cleaning if this works as good as it looks i will be Po free in no time !!!!
 
It was before cleaning, however, I think I over cleaned at day 7. even at 2nd week I was using kitchen utensil to clean it. Glad to see your respond, so now I will pay more gentle to the screen. Thx.

You shouldn't use something that is already being used in your kitchen. Getting an unused one and keeping it just for your scrubber is fine though.
 
Not my videos, be another UAS version.

VIDEO 1

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VIDEO 2

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VIDEO 3

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A: I love this thread. :)
B: Has anyone had a crack at making a horizontal ATS with an internal wave generator? I was thinking if you have an angled bottom to simulate the angle of the shore and pumped water UP the incline via a paddle wheel, that might be something worth modeling/trying out? Maybe even self powered? Thoughts?
 
A: I love this thread. :)
B: Has anyone had a crack at making a horizontal ATS with an internal wave generator? I was thinking if you have an angled bottom to simulate the angle of the shore and pumped water UP the incline via a paddle wheel, that might be something worth modeling/trying out? Maybe even self powered? Thoughts?

A) Thank you ;-)

Sounds interesting... I don't think anything like that has ever been tested. I would love to see what you come up with.

However, I would say that despite it being a design no one has tested, a horizontal is expected to run with about the same capacity as other horizontal designs. Needing to be about 4x the size as a vertical.

Not sure I follow about the self powered part. How do you mean?

Welcome to the scrubber club!
 
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