Algae Scrubber Basics

While I agree with you on the aspect of the open channel, the slot doesn't allow air to intrude like an open pipe above the water level in the sump, so a siphon can still be maintained and properly tuned, as well as stopped and re-started. But the trick is getting the flow needed over the screen to match the siphon, and these two numbers are not always perfectly matched. Balancing them out by adjusting the return pump flow and the gate valve can sometimes mean the siphon is "restricted" far back from it's full-open maximum flow, and this can result in a slow starting siphon, but it should purge and start eventually.

The backpressure issue can generally be solved by not allowing algae to grow into the slot/screen junction. I had this issue before on one of my first scrubbers, which was drain fed (not on a BA though) and the backpressure issue did cause the water to back up the standpipe and raise the tank level, but that was dues to slot/screen junction growth and likely could have been solved by blocking the light to that area...but I didn't know that at the time.

So I have not built the scrubber yet, but I can always cut the screen shorter if I'm not able to get 35-50gph per inch. I plan to use (controllable) DCS-9000 motor for the return and save power by using the full siphon from a herbie or bean animal return. I could even go back to standard dursos if needed, saving 50-100watts is $50-$100/year plus removing heat from tank.

I plan to run 1800 gph from 300G through a bean animal siphon into a 30" long slot with 18" tall mesh sheet. Then place it behind glass/acrylic covers and light with around 36 red/violet LEDs on each side at 700mA each (PWM). The ATS and a big SRO-5000 skimmer are the only filtration techniques I plan (no chemical/socks/gfo etc).

So siphon on herbie/beananimal will start back up no matter what if I use standard slot vertical overflow correct?
 
What size tank is that for??

30" x 18" = 540 sq in, 540/12 = 45 cubes/day. That's like a full cup of food or like a full bag of LRS a day....
 
What size tank is that for??

30" x 18" = 540 sq in, 540/12 = 45 cubes/day. That's like a full cup of food or like a full bag of LRS a day....

Can you not tell I'm an Electrical Engineer? Over engineer everything. If it turns out to be overboard, I can turn it into a single sided strip. The plan is a 300G tank with a few large angels, 8+ surgeonfish, 20+ misc smaller fish. So eventually heavy bioload. This is in conjunction with a SRO-5000int skimmer (400G rated I think).

I would still like to run this off my full siphon bean animal drain line at 1500gph or so. I just want to be sure the siphon would always start up and prevent the slot from plugging, or an overflow Tee or something.

I plan to build many interesting things over the next year or two (DIY frozen feeder, nori feeder, pellet feeder, WIFI controller, LED fixtures etc)
 
Can you not tell I'm an Electrical Engineer? Over engineer everything.
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about :P

I still think that's about 2x what you might ever need. Double sided is always better than single sided though, because you can grow it longer (time wise) between cleanings. IMO single sided is effectively less than half capacity, everything else being equal.

Remember also that other filtration will take up part of the bioload
 
I suppose I could scale back a bit to 24" x 12" and maybe 24 LED per side instead. I may just sell my skimmer or only run if needed if it truly works alone.

Any ideas on the siphon flow? I am new to non durso system, and will have to mock it up myself with FW to find out the hard way otherwise.
 
I give up on a bean/herbie overflow. I have dual corner overflow tank and do not wish to drill or make a balancing pipe between the overflows. So I think it will just be four 1" dursos with 2000gph or so that will feed a 30" long algae turf scrubber pipe. I will have dual tunze wavemakers and I think those will make it harder to configure even if I do drill. The only thing I wanted was silence, but the skimmer intake is probably going to be louder anyways.

Does anyone have experience with durso feed ATS?
-do I need like an emergency Tee if it ever plugged up?
-will air in the durso's affect the waterfall, or not be an even flow?
 
Took this video today - tutorial for making a Mortar Screen

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Does anyone have experience with durso feed ATS?
-do I need like an emergency Tee if it ever plugged up?
-will air in the durso's affect the waterfall, or not be an even flow?

I've seen many of these. I don't think I remember of one case of it plugging up. And air will actually help the growth because of the additional air/water interface turbulence.
 
I've seen many of these. I don't think I remember of one case of it plugging up. And air will actually help the growth because of the additional air/water interface turbulence.

Do you think if all my durso drain into the ATS waterfall, that it will eliminate the durso created micro bubbles?

(Can I avoid a bubble trap/baffles with this design?)
 
Thoughts on using some coarse wet 'n' dry sand paper as a substrate for an angled trough type scrubber?

IMO not a good idea, both from a material viewpoint (probably some glue or adhesive, plus the cloth will deteriorate, etc) and from a functional viewpoint.
 
critique my ATS scrubber plz:

Ok ATS guys made a DIY up flow scrubber. started out very slow in growth. rised some slime off once then just left it be for 2 weeks with light on most of the time ( 4 red 660nm LEDS) this is how it looked:

in sump:
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160709/5a7b26dc53e6023a54dad42bde3b280a.jpg

turf growing on glass:
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160709/b55cc5fc53c5a01cfe37dec27410bc29.jpg

how it looks when I took it out for 1st real cleaning:
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160709/bae11c11bf5bb04ea089272bafcbb1cf.jpg

whit i got from cleaning:
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160709/697d28b7a921c5cd7ef4f139d80ec02c.jpg

how I left it. you can see the ring of growth..
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160709/9abd45b5f715ba2f00e9a145d752e2c5.jpg

no after cleaning back in sump it went for 7 days 6 days of 24/7 lighting and the last day I turned off lights. ( was gonna let it grow for a few more days but then realized it was a week since cleaning so went ahead.)

here is where we are at: sorry for the large photos tapatalk loaded them large for some reason.)
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160717/65d85bbeb1dd4e45c1d1c06c2a5f820c.jpg

before cleaning: you can see the ring of growth.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160717/bba346e89a8991ca70755dbb4b5fb80b.jpg

and after cleaning.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160717/2755f4c1d7b8b85acca14830e1cd929d.jpg

looks like the circle of growth has expanded. & i am happy of the turf I got in 6 days. a good hand full.

so my questions are:
think I am running to much lighting schedule?
what are your guys lighting schedule? 18 on 6 off?
how can I get the roots of the turf to expand to all of growth area?
on average how often do you guys clean your ATS?
what happens if the air bubbles are a bit off the screen ( that might be my problem )

any and all feedback is welcome!
 
Nice upflow, and great first growth. Don't need to change anything if it's doing that well to start with. The growth will spread by itself. Just clean it when full.

Do you think if all my durso drain into the ATS waterfall, that it will eliminate the durso created micro bubbles?

Probably not, because the waterfall will add its own bubbles.
 
Weekend growth pics:
 

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