Algae Scrubber Basics

The dead fish happened on or about July 4th, got back late on the 5th and found it stuck to the pump intake and removed it. Cleaned screen on July 6th and it looked like this:

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Which was a low harvest week, and P jumped to 0.3 but dropped straight back down in 2 days, N didn't budge. I did change food to another DIY food that was made locally but was older, so different mixture of ingredients (ran out of the other stuff).

The cleaning on the 13th or 14th was huge too, probably about 75% of what it was yesterday. Screen harvests do tend to vary, but something with this last one was just blockbuster. 3D growth tends to exploit the exponential growth capacity of algae, now that I have had the chance to closely monitor growth over the past few months, I have noticed that right around day 4, the bottom of the box is full all the way across. The next day, the second drain starts trickling, and the 3D volume has doubled. By day 6, it's running stronger and the 3D growth has doubled again, then by day 7, it's running full and 3D has just about peaked out (though I haven't let it go much longer). The growth was pretty much right to the pipe this time - by far the most I've ever had. There was also a noticeable lack of brown diatom/slime over sections of the screen as you can see in some other screen harvests like this one

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or this one

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Which has been pretty typical and it washes away with the hose on the "shower" setting. I had only a couple square inches of that this time. So there may be something different enough with the DIY food difference. I will have to test the N and P again tonight to see where it's at. It is possible that the original DIY food was the contributor of large amounts of P. In putting together another DIY food meeting locally, I have learned that there may have been a missed step in the process - soaking the raw seafood in RO/DI water for at least 1 hour. That or the large amount of pellet food added.
 
Tank video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrNvqtk7t18

Algae scrubber growth video, this is one of the best growth weeks ever - huge!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex8q7cmyAAE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Stg81RRbnpI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gsq9emsFSy4

Edit: Just thought I'd tack on that I feed a DIY total tank food (similar to Rod's Food), and I feed the equivalent of about 5-8 cubes per day, depending on the chunk I break off. N is always 0, P still hovers around 0.1, haven't started dosing N yet to see if that comes down - at this point, why bother, everything it doing just fine, which is odd since traditional logic says coral growth should be stopping.

That's some serious salad there. I've doubled my feeding and I'm growing less. I think the rocks have finally purged themselves of PO4.
 
quick question and sorry if it was asked before. what is the ideal ALK level when running a scrubber? do you recommend keeping it at standard levels; i.e. between 7-11? I would to get mine on the higher around 11ish, because my PH has been running a little low around 7.8/8.0 max.
 
There is no difference between the ideal Alk levels for a scrubber or non-scrubber tank. Standard levels apply. That being said, there are opinions all over the board. I keep mine at 9, some suggest 10-11, but 8-10 is a good range for reef tanks. I've read that FO and FOWLR tanks can be kept higher (14 even) but I think if you want to shoot for 11 you're fine.
 
Found some light fixtures at walmart that I think will work well for scrubbers. They were like the yellow plastic ones used by one of the guys on here. I think they are called drop lights, these at walmart had a metal reflector and only cost $8 though. I going to pick up a couple tomorrow and give them a try. I've got pretty bad hot spots, I'm thinking this will help out a lot while giving me more even coverage at the same time. I think I might pick up some PVC and take another whack at a slotted tube as well.
 
Yes, several have done so, the simplest form of it is to use 660nm reds and maybe some warm whites also. CW and RBs don't work so well, but will grow algae decent enough. If you google "algae scrubber" and search around enough, you'll find a few nice LED builds.
 
Yes, several have done so, the simplest form of it is to use 660nm reds and maybe some warm whites also. CW and RBs don't work so well, but will grow algae decent enough. If you google "algae scrubber" and search around enough, you'll find a few nice LED builds.


I will see what I can find. I was thinking about using (4) 3w warm white leds...2 on each side of a 10" x 7" piece of plastic mesh. I hadnt even thought about using red.
 
you're going to want to look at successful builds. I would suggest no less than 5 on a side for that size of screen. Spotting is worse with LEDs than CFLs, so even coverage is a must in design.
 
amazing how many threads are out there once you google it. First hit was very helpful and I just odered 2 more white and 4 reds....two for each side so I will have a total of 5 leds on each side.
 
Did a lot of work on my scrubber today. I moved the slotted tube 4" up and added some more mesh to the bottom. It's now the dimensions it should have been in the first place. I'm also trying some new lights. The clip lights were creating huge hot spots, hopefully this will fix that. They even can be plugged in in series so they only use one socket! Oh, I also got some more PVC and cut a MUCH better slot. So far water flow and light over the mesh are much more even. I'm hoping this will result in increased growth.

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old photo of old design, I had since snipped off the bottom so it would be level with water's surface
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new design. Lights are closer than they look, between 4-5 inches. I also reattached the section I snipped off with some zip ties
 
Been awhile since I posted but I see a few more people mentioning the possibility of going LED on their scrubber. I made a impulse buy the other day at Lowe's, I should've known better not to, but I got the approval from the lil lady to go ahead since she realised how much our CFL's were costing along with the energy consumption on them. I really don't remember the name of the LED's that we bought, but I seen someone else put a picture up earlier in the thread using the same ones, but I can't find that particular post right now.

Since we just lit one side with the screw in LED's over the weekend, I'll wait until next week to try and get a pic of the growth for comparison. Right now the camera is broke and I haven't gotten around to fixing it yet.

I was also going to build my own, but, I got lazy, didn't want to fork out the money all at once for it and like said, it really was impulse buy. We picked up the 3000k, 7.5w version. Those are replacing 2 of the 23w CFL's.

The scrubber has been running on our tank for.... a few months now I believe, we've never had substantial growth on it, but we usually get a good layer of the more slimy stuff like srusso had taken a picture of awhile back. I've since trimmed off some screen to see if I could get the more hairy like algae about a month ago. Anyways, I'll try to get a picture of both sides, CFL and LED for comparison within the next two weeks for everyone to check out.
 
There are currently no screw-in LED lamps that are powerful enough to run a scrubber (edit: not any that you would buy in your local hardware store). I would reconsider continuing to use the CFLs. There is one company that is coming out with true 100W replacement LED bulbs in the fall, and they look like the first possible potential CFL like-for-like replacement, but until those come out, I personally would never consider the current screw-in LEDs if you're relying on your scrubber for your main filtration.

The typical 23W CFL is the replacement for a 100W incandescent. A 7.5W LED is usually replacement for a 40W incandescent, 60W at best. You are cutting your light down significantly. If you're getting dark green slimy growth, you do not have enough light, or something else is going on. Lowering the light level is not going to solve the problem, it's more likely to make it worse.

Hope that doesn't sound too harsh, but I just don't want to see your tank at risk, and don't want others to think that it's a like-for-like replacement.

EDIT: If you were going to replace with LED screw-in, you would want to get a grow light, specifically, and a strong one - and you're going to pay a lot more for it.
 
I do understand that we don't want to encourage people to try out the screw ins that are currently available unless your doing it for the sake of experimentation and that's what I'm doing with them. In the long run, I will be building a LED fixture for the algae scrubber, but when I go that route, I plan on looking into the 3d scrubber since I'll be putting more money and time into it and I just can't see putting that much effort into the basic algae scrubber.

So, instead of a 120$ build on diy LED's for the scrubber, I spent a 1/4 of the price or there abouts since they were discounted at the time of purchase.

My growth, hard to describe without pic's, but it is exactly what srusso had shown a picture of awhile back. Various shades of the guey or slimey algae with a much tougher growth underneath the slimey stuff. That tougher algae underneath is slowly growing out more, so it may be just a matter of time before I get to the nice hairy turf type of growth that I see the majority of algae scrubbers have.

I do appreciate your concern, I'm doing it just to test it out and I wouldn't be doing it if I didn't have my DSB to fall back on.
 
Can someone please show me in a picture what good growth looks like. I jsut started mine and i have some dark green spots and alot of light green film slime. Is this normal or are my lights off. I have one CFL on each side I am going to put a picture of my growth on here.
 
Here are some pictures of growth at 3 weeks. Do i need more light less light. I am going to increase the flow soon but all i have is a maxi jet on it now. I am just trying to get some good growth for now untill i buy a new pump.
 

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