Algae Scrubber Basics

No problem Floyd, I think there may have been a sticky or just a large post (almost as large as this one) on it like maybe in the chemistry section.. Not sure if it's still there, or just do a search for tech-m you'll find tons.

All I know is if it's fairly certain it works. I'm going to do it. It may set the ATS back, but it'll recover faster than the algae can recover in the display. :)
 
We should discuss learning to balance an algae scrubber. Knowing how could help others troubleshoot their own systems. You are designing and building a filter. Building an algae scrubber is not very hard but small defects in your build can create issues right away or later on down the road.

That also being said, I still am learning new things about algae scrubbing every day. I don't know everything and some of what I wrote here may not be completely accurate. I ask that others comment, correct or back this brief write up.

The reason for the write up allows someone to design a different system, shape, style etc.

After almost a year of tweaking and learning to balance an algae scrubber, I have learned the following to be true for me. (my tank)

Light, flow and real-estate (screen) need to be kept in balance. Overdoing anyone of these, including screen size can inhibit growth. Encourage the wrong algae to grow, or worse... Depending how far things are off balance.

Lighting issues: (assumes flow and real estate are balanced.)

Too much light can create yellow or clear-ish algae growth, even more light will prevent growth all together.

Not enough light will grow dark algae, slimy, or other forms. Even less light and you will get gray to black growth (very bad).

Uneven light will grow hot spots, or dark edges. Or stripes that flow bulb placement.

This is why you need light a cretin number of inches away, Need to replace bulbs every 3 months, Or why cretin bulbs are unfit for the job.

About 375 - 500 PAR is ideal
Light should be spread evenly across the screen, when using spiral CFLs this can be difficult due to hot spots and/or dark edges.
(still waiting for confirmation on PAR requirements)

Flow issues: (assumes light and real estate in balance.)

Too much flow can make splatters or streaming occur. It can make algae fall off your screen when roots aren't strong enough for new growth. Can also create dark stripes. Even more flow and the ideal algae may never be able to attach and grow.

Not enough flow will create slow strips, grow discolored unwanted algae. Even less flow and dark to black algae will grow...

Main reason to actually test flow coming from your pump, with actual head pressure.

35GPH per inch of screen width.
Straight cut slot tube helps keep flow even.

Screen issues: (assumes light and flow in balance.)

Too large and unwanted algae will grow in lower lit areas (dark or black growth still possible in these areas), competing with wanted algae. Less of an issue so long as healthy growth covers most if the screen. Too large of a screen and projected needs for light and flow will create other issues.

Too small a screen and nitrogen and phosphate aren't consumed fast enough...

Not rough, smooth growing surface will grow a powder like green algae, brown diatoms or other algaes that aren't desirable.

The ideal growing material allows light to penetrate, has a rough growing surface for algae to attach and provides enough room for nutrient up take.
 
I'm thinking that in my copious free time, I should update the summary and expand it for post #2000. I wonder how fast that will creep up. Good info srusso.
 
I agree, nice summary srusso. I think I've seen every one of those situations in one ATS at the same time. :D


So Floyd, how's Roastowa? Are you surviving? :worried:
 
It's totally brutal. I live about 30 miles from Newton that's all over the news for the heat index of 126. Today I get to investigate damage to 2 big metal roofs damaged in a storm from last week that had 100 MPH straight-line winds. Yay.
 
I went out and purchased some new Lexan Plexiglass and some plastic toilet seat hinge bolts. http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pu...LlnQn8YC1apXuXqrJdOJ6uI7r_UmNE4TcZsS8E4k9CCNA

I my ghetto scrubber is not looking as "ghetto" now. I do need to get another pair of bolts for my other water shield, but overall I am pretty happy with the esthetic look and more importantly the overall results (no more splashing on the lights!).

On another note I did some testing using my new Hana Phosphate meter yesterday and noticed my phosphates were a little high 0.15. I added some GFO around noon yesterday and it is now reading 0.04. I know some folks don't run GFO with their ATSs so I was wondering if it's okay do this and still use one or do you all recommend turning it off once the levels are low enough?

Here are some pics of the new and improved scrubber.

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Close-up of bolt
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IIRC all this right algae uses carbon, phosphate, and nitrate in a certain combination. Some foods (frozen) are really high in phosphates so you may still need to run GFO to keep your phosphates down. Too much and the algea won't have P to grow.
 
Youch Floyd! I'll take any weather over roasting heat.. I used to go into sterilizer pre-conditioning rooms. They're kept at 99% humidity and 102F. It was a little scary since it was essentially lethal given enough time. To top it off we'd go blind the instant you entered because that hot moist air instantly condensed on your eyeballs!! After a minute your eyeballs got hot enough to stop that.


Dave1NC; Definitely less getto. You can also reduce the P by feeding more which would cause more N. Then the ATS can utilize the excess P.
 
Nice tank Dave! Wish I could do one that size! :bounce3:

Here is an update on my ats after the first 7 days. This is using two 23w cfl on one side and one 7.5w led on the other. Both sides looked almost identical so I'm just showing the one side. :lol2: This has a 7x15 inch screen and is run with a maxijet 1200 and a maxijet 600 powerheads. Since these pics I changed how the two pieces of screen are attached together to form a longer piece because where they overlap and are tied with zipties, water was splashing and bouncing off the screen. Now it is tied end to end with fishing line so there is no overlapping ridge or ziptie ends to interupt the water flow.
 

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I've been using 5000k CFL's since that is what I had always used on my fuge. Is the use of lower kelvin 2700-3000k lights supposed to improve algae growth? Visually the intensity of the 5000k bulbs appear much stronger than the 2700 bulb of the same wattage.
 
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2700 to about 3200 kelvin is supposed to be the ideal spectrum for optimal algal growth...:) The intensity is the same, but, the color makes them look duller.
 
Tank video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrNvqtk7t18

Algae scrubber growth video, this is one of the best growth weeks ever - huge!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex8q7cmyAAE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Stg81RRbnpI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gsq9emsFSy4

Edit: Just thought I'd tack on that I feed a DIY total tank food (similar to Rod's Food), and I feed the equivalent of about 5-8 cubes per day, depending on the chunk I break off. N is always 0, P still hovers around 0.1, haven't started dosing N yet to see if that comes down - at this point, why bother, everything it doing just fine, which is odd since traditional logic says coral growth should be stopping.
 
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Nice vids FTR! I have never been able to get anything close to that amount of algae off my screens. I seem to be getting real dark green algae.
 
lol, i'm too cheap to cut more... i actually cleaned it up a bit and straightened it out just a little more. Measured with a tape and its perfectly 1/8".

Also, to help make it a straighter cut, I put two T's on both ends and set it on a flat surface. This helped me from allowing the pvc to roll. Then took a straight edge and marked it.


This is an awesome idea!!!! i have been trying to figure out how to secure my pvc since i dont have a clamp or vice to do it with.
 
Tank video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrNvqtk7t18

Algae scrubber growth video, this is one of the best growth weeks ever - huge!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex8q7cmyAAE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Stg81RRbnpI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gsq9emsFSy4

Edit: Just thought I'd tack on that I feed a DIY total tank food (similar to Rod's Food), and I feed the equivalent of about 5-8 cubes per day, depending on the chunk I break off. N is always 0, P still hovers around 0.1, haven't started dosing N yet to see if that comes down - at this point, why bother, everything it doing just fine, which is odd since traditional logic says coral growth should be stopping.

Nice videos, could the extra growth be from the dead fish from last week?
 
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