Among the reef has gigs available now
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taylor t
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LOL thanks!
Swayze27
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Thanks for the info Taylor. I am not giving up and will cont. treating and see where it leads. I was awarded full refund and I appreciate that. If I was made aware or had knowledge that the gig had been cut, then I could see your point. Not having that option and receiving one in that condition is where my problem lies. It's obvious that one that has been through that has an even more uphill battle.
I let my water age with a powerhead stirring it overnight and match salinity and temp.
I let my water age with a powerhead stirring it overnight and match salinity and temp.
Mine looked pretty good when I got home. It was gigantic. Still not sticky at all though and it still won't attach it's foot to anything. I'm still 50/50 on if will make it. Still looks loose. Tough to give it much flow because it immediately starts floating away. I am putting in a terra cotta saucer. I'm hoping it will attach to that.
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taylor t
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Thanks! And a better home they could not have ended up at. I'm glad they went to another dedicated reefer. Your tank looks great too! :beer:
Pfan, you need to improvise. He needs your help purging. They can turn on and off sticky at will, means nothing. Usually they are sticky when healthy though. Not footing is a problem. If you can't pin it somewhere and get it higher flow, it's not going to get the internal water exchange it needs. Floppy, or D-NAK calls it the floppy pancake, is the march of death. You need to take action. Worse case, I would let it tumble, as nasty as that sounds, and keep it separate with light diffuser. It needs high flow and not footing, tumble is the only option but watch the pump. BUT, DON'T BLAST OUT THE INSIDES OF IT. Can you improvise and make a triangle out of LR and have a PH point at it and force it into the triangle of rocks, wedging it in the rockwork? Use diffuser to keep it away from the pumps. I think this situation you're in may require more time than your able to tend to it with. I hope not though. Best of luck to you, thanks for the update.
WatDatThing
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Taylor, is the internal water exchange also true for gig?
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mnchartier
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Just a quick thought on the cut gigs. I don't think the suppliers/wholesalers are cutting to propagate. My thought is it may be the divers/collectors slicing them to help release them from the rocks, just a thought as if it was for propagation wouldn't the slice be thru the entire disc/foot?
WatDatThing
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I mean mag.
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Swayze27
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Initially all the way through but whe the nem closes together to fuse, the scar will only be on one half.
taylor t
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The blue one that I shipped to CA was also cut, but not as drastic. In my 2 blue gig thread, there are pics of it in TT. It had a scar. A few years later, no sign of scar. I believe they are intentionally cutting them to propagate them, I'm guessing at the ocean or wholesaler that knows a little more than us. They aren't on the forum to share I'm sure.
taylor t
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Yes, when fresh from the ocean, they need a purge. They are just balloons of water, and shipping they sit in their own poo for a lack of a better word, and from overseas (I've heard, not sure the accuracy) they can go 40-48 hours in a bag from island to us. No wonder they ship so bad and have a poor track record, and when received have a dismal recovery rate. I'm not knowledgeable with mags, only had a couple, before cipro. I'm just a mag adorer from a distance, many are much more knowledgeable than me on mags. I've killed dozens and dozens and dozens of gigs to see patterns. Sad I know.
I have a gig right now with a foot that's half ripped apart. No treatment. He's actually doing quite well. IMO I think cut gigs can survive. It wasn't the cut that made those gigs go down. It's stress that leads to deflation, infection, and eventually death for some anemones. I think often times it's lack of experience with acclimation, water parameters, temp, light, flow, and HT husbandry. Other times antibiotics will not save them because they've already been treated. Sometimes the reefer waits too long or doesn't recognize classic signs that indicate treatment is needed. You can't always blame the LFS because you have a gig or mag die. If you're experienced enough to try a gig or mag, then you should know the risks involved. Asking for a full refund is shady IMO.
Huge rip:
He won't even put his foot down because it's so ripped up:
I honestly would rather receive a cut gig that's already healed than a foot that's ripped apart by the LFS.
Huge rip:
He won't even put his foot down because it's so ripped up:
I honestly would rather receive a cut gig that's already healed than a foot that's ripped apart by the LFS.
I just treated this mag that I found with a gapping mouth and half deflated at a LFS.
OrionN
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Injured healthy Gigantea healed without problem. There are many documentation of Gigantea got a piece ripped out of them, or chewed up by PH. Under good care these healed with no problem. Gigantea got cut in two is another mater entirely. They do heal sometime. Rarely they live long term. I only know of maybe one, the one taylor_t had. The rest do not survive long term. taylor_t did not cut his Gig. Pictures of this Gigantea when he got him indicated that this anemone highly likely have been cut.
I think Gigantea anemone cannot regenerate their internal organs. There are no documentation of Gigantea naturally divided asexually in the wild or in aquarium. D-Nak had a Gigantea that seem to have been cut also. That one live in his tank for 10+ month then quickly decline. Necropsy indicated in that anemone the internal organs did not get regenerated. IMO, this is the reason why most Gigantea do not survived force asexual reproduction.
Regarding Magnifica, there are clear documentation that they naturally asexually reproduced in the wild and in aquarium. There are a number of cases that are well documented that they can be asexual propagated, repeatedly. We can reasoably concluded that Magnifica, for at least a portion of their population, can regenerate their internal organs without problem.
I think Gigantea anemone cannot regenerate their internal organs. There are no documentation of Gigantea naturally divided asexually in the wild or in aquarium. D-Nak had a Gigantea that seem to have been cut also. That one live in his tank for 10+ month then quickly decline. Necropsy indicated in that anemone the internal organs did not get regenerated. IMO, this is the reason why most Gigantea do not survived force asexual reproduction.
Regarding Magnifica, there are clear documentation that they naturally asexually reproduced in the wild and in aquarium. There are a number of cases that are well documented that they can be asexual propagated, repeatedly. We can reasoably concluded that Magnifica, for at least a portion of their population, can regenerate their internal organs without problem.
Swayze27
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I have a gig right now with a foot that's half ripped apart. No treatment. He's actually doing quite well. IMO I think cut gigs can survive. It wasn't the cut that made those gigs go down. It's stress that leads to deflation, infection, and eventually death for some anemones. I think often times it's lack of experience with acclimation, water parameters, temp, light, flow, and HT husbandry. Other times antibiotics will not save them because they've already been treated. Sometimes the reefer waits too long or doesn't recognize classic signs that indicate treatment is needed. You can't always blame the LFS because you have a gig or mag die. If you're experienced enough to try a gig or mag, then you should know the risks involved. Asking for a full refund is shady IMO.
Huge rip:
He won't even put his foot down because it's so ripped up:
I honestly would rather receive a cut gig that's already healed than a foot that's ripped apart by the LFS.
Based on your comments you must know the store owner if you are not him yourself, lol. He has knowledge of all the posts so he's on here somewhere. But for you to continue to come at me concerning when I complained about the cut (which was when I noticed it) and to call me shady for wanting my money back for receiving a propagated gig makes me wonder. Gigs are not cheap and the time and effort to get one on its feet is hard enough so I'm not going to be acceptable to receiving a propagated gig who's survival rate is far lessened compared to one strait out of the ocean. I'm glad you saved a torn gig, high five, kudos, congrats, but that has nothing to do with me, my time, and my hard earned dollars. And Shady would be if the store had kept my money after sending me that product, glad they showed good customer service.
Lol. I'm not the store owner nor do I know who he is. I still have not seen clear evidence of the cut. Maybe I missed that. Please post it here so I can see what you're talking about.
I think too many people try to blame the LFS when their Gig dies when it's their lack of experience.
I'm not sure who put rocks in their HT, but you should never put anything other than a cup or bowl for the gig to sit in or on. Nothing at all is probably better. The only time a rock should ever go in with the gig is if it is attached to the foot and can't be removed without causing trauma.
I think too many people try to blame the LFS when their Gig dies when it's their lack of experience.
I'm not sure who put rocks in their HT, but you should never put anything other than a cup or bowl for the gig to sit in or on. Nothing at all is probably better. The only time a rock should ever go in with the gig is if it is attached to the foot and can't be removed without causing trauma.
Swayze27
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You're mixing my pics up with someone else. I had rock in qt, once treatment was decided that was removed and I have a bowl. I also posted a PDF link a few posts ago that shows a pic of the divided foot and balding scar running to mouth. I even illustrated the path of the canal. You should check it out. And I love the "experience" jabs. My display tank is not a nano cube with a designer clown, cleaner shrimp, and a condy nem, lol. It's quiet nice actually.
