Anemones problem

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waelaase

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i have a tenk for 4 years now
it's a fish with live rock and some Anemones
3 weeks ago i got new clown fish and Anemones and i made a mistake i added it to the tank (not the qtank cause it had some seahorses there)
and 2 days i lost all my Anemones (5) but not the carpet Anemones
and oneday after all fish had a cloudeyes and died in one day
i removed all died and make a 1/2 water change
the carpet is ok
yesterday i bring a new 2 Anemones as my lfs will get clownfish by the end of the month and i wanted Anemones to be ready
i added them and since they added they were pale and almost not moving today i found them died again
and the carpet is ok
wht make Anemones die that fast less than 24 hours
my tank parameters before adding them was
amonia 0, nitrite 0 , nitrate 5, salainty 1.028, temp 27
the tank is custome L shape 400 litre tank
with skimmer and external filter, 4 powerheads inside

i need help
wht should i do
thx
 
You need to slow down.

Don't add anything new to the tank.

Run carbon and do lots of water changes. Lower salinity to 1.026

What is your Alk and PH?

Lighting?

Did you add all of the anemones at the same time? were some of them added before you put the new batch of stuff in? How long has the carpet anemone survived in your tank?

Always QT.
 
hey thx for fast reply
my lightining is powercompact lamps
blue and white
these are pics for the sick anemones
11605image_00048.jpg


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this is the link for the gallery for more pics
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=11605&thumb=1

thx
 
Wow-I don't think I would add anything more yet until you find out what is wrong. You salinity is high. Normal sea water is 1.025

and what are your parameters now? After you added and lots of things died?


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Posted after the above. :)
 
hey all,
i guess i misstyped it
it's 1.026 not 1.028
and there were anemones in the tank that is 1 year ago and 6 months
the clowns that died was 3 years
the carpet is 1 year too
i need info is these anemones in pics are died or why it shows this shape
i did not remove them yet from the tank
i'll test the tank again tommorow and post readings
thx
 
Sometimes anemones will wage a chemical warfare against each other, I wonder if this is a possibility here.

This sounds like more of an anemone problem than a fish disease problem. If you haven't already, you might want to try posting in the clown and anemone forum, you may increase your chances of finding out what's going on.

Good luck!
 
thx man
i dont know that is the problem
as after i left the tank work 3 weeks after all died except the carpet
i bought the new 2 anemones and they seem dying
i dont know if any one could tell from the pics included and wht could kill anemones in less than 24 hours
and it repeated
and why is the carpet anemone still healthy
thx
 
hey all,
an update for the tank
i just lost my new 2 anemones today after 24 hours from adding them to the tank
the carpet is ok
when i get up in the mornning i'll test the water
i dont know why these two died too although the carpet seems fine
thx
 
Well it seems to me if your carpet just happens to keep surviving....as others have said its very possible the anemones are waging chemical warfare on each other. Its possible that the water got so contaminated from either the anemone's chemicals or from the other anemones dying off this is what probably affected your fish. I have heard that carpet anemones are one of the most potent out there....so common sense would tell you he is the one waging warfare on the newly added anemones. He isnt being affect by the chemicals.....because they ARE HIS chemicals. Just my .02 cents
P.S. STOP making additions to your tank when there is a obvious problem.....I think you need to slow down and do some reading, and practice better husbandry. NEVER add anything to your tank w/out first doing research.
 
thx man
i guess you may be right about the carpet
so should i remove him to another tank and try another anemone
or wht i should do
thx
 
I don't think the nem is purposely killing your fish, but it is very possible the anemone is killing the other nems. As a general rule, you should not mix anemone species. It's possible in some cases (bta anemone being one) to have multiple nems of the same species in one tank.

I think what happens (you should verify this in the clownfish and anemone forum though) is that the anemones can "sense" other anemones when they're added. They can be aggressive and defend their territory. The stinging cells at the end of each tentacle are called nematocycts (I think I spelled that right). I think it's possible for the anemone to "shed" these nematocysts - I would guess it would be like firing rockets of stinging cells through the water. The target is the close by anemone, but the fish are also being attacked by these stinging cells and this can be fatal. To them, it's as if they wandered into the anemone - most don't wander out of them alive.

I definately think it's an anemone issue, not a fish issue. If it was a general water chemistry issue that did your fish in, it would affect your carpet too. If it was a fish disease that wiped out your fish and then affected your water, your carpet should show signs of stress.

It's also possible that your recent anemone deaths may be unrelated to the other things and they're victims of poor collecting, shipping, or acclimation. It could be one of those things or a combination of those, or some I didn't even list.

You would be wise to take the previous advice and not put anything else in the tank for a while. Give things time to settle down and stabilize. Once things are stable you should be fine adding other fish, I just wouldn't recommend adding any other anemones. I see no reason to move an established healthy anemone.

Good luck!
 
thx man
although the anemone and the carpet is about 70cm distance
but i guess it's something related to them
anyway i'll keep things to sittle for some time and start from beginning
thx all
 
Dropping in from your post in the Anemone and Clownfish forum.

Lighting or lack there of is not a contributor to the near instant death of anemones. Culprit is: water conditions, acclimation, or shipping stress.

From the pictures in your gallery it is tough to positively ID the dying anemone species. They do appear to be Heteractis species which are prone to be poor shippers and quick to die.

How were the new anemones acclimated?
What condition were they in on purchase? (shipped directly to you, picked up at a nearby store, personally collected, etc?)
Was the water in the shipping container hot, cloudy, etc?

For some baseline assistance with anemones, please read the Anemone FAQ here:
http://www.carlosreef.com/AnemoneFAQ.pdf

Long term issues:

Clowns will be fine in captivity without anemones as long as there are no predators in the tank. The anemones are more delicate then the clowns and the clowns should be quarantined prior to adding them to your display tank.

Your tank is beautifully shaped, but rather deep to support Heteractis species with only power compact lighting.

You would be well served with patience and locating a source of healthy Entacmaea quadricolor. Common name would be Bubble Tipped Anemone; which will be far more tolerant of water conditions and lighting variations.

Based on the picture, identification of the carpet species is difficult. How large is it and have any clowns decided to call it home? Mixing anemone species can be a problem, but I don't suspect it was the culprit triggering this event. If the carpet has not been hosting clowns, it may be best to trade to others for known healthy anemones more suited to your desired system.
 
hey all
thx for reply
i dont know the anemone species
the anemone was in the store it was goot and open
i got it and added to the tank as usual (in about one hour adding some water each time
then i remove it from it's bag underwater and put it in the place i need
then remove the bag and the water in it
the carpet is never used by clowns it's about 20 cm
i'll upgrade my lights soon but i used to host anemon in the tank for 4 years
anyway i'll go with the carbon idea and wait for 2 weeks
then i'll see wht i can do
thx for the link of the anemones faq
 
Does that mean that you added the store water to your tank?
I mean the water from the fish not from the anemone
 
OK thanks, I was just thinking copper contamination from the store. It is the only thing I can think of that kills anemones in a few hours.
 
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