Anyone ever heard of cutting a condy in half?

dpzimmerman

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Has anyone ever heard of cutting a condylactus anemone in half with a razor to make it reproduce?

how about just cutting the top at the mouth and letting it finish splitting on its own?
 
I thought that if you where to cut a nem in it would just pull itself back together unless your seperated the halfs?
 
This is an e-mail I received from Dr. Daphne Fautin.

"To prevent taking animals from the wild, some well-intentioned people propose cutting sea anemones in pieces to propagate them artificially. I am astonished how often I receive such proposals! It appears that only (or nearly only) anemones that naturally divide will predictably survive this treatment. Despite a persistent belief otherwise, anemones of most species do not reproduce asexually: only two of the 10 species that are natural hosts to anemonefishes do, and that may be a pretty good estimate of the prevalence of that ability among all anemones - 20% of species.

Perhaps the myth that division is how anemones reproduce is due in part to the feeling that anemones are "primitive" and division is a "primitive" attribute (in fact, anemones have been on earth far longer than humans, so can be argued to be more evolved!), and in part because pests such as *Aiptasia* are many peoples' ideas of a "typical" anemone. In fact, they are so prevalent and common precisely because they have that unusual ability - most of the 1000 or so species of anemones are less conspicuous because they do not occur in such densities at least in part because they lack that ability.

Another possible source of the misconception about anemone division is the practice of fragging corals. Clearly anemones and scleractinian corals are closely related. But that does not mean they can be treated identically. All anemones are solitary (even those that divide separate entirely once they have formed separate bodies, whereas polyps of corals in a colony remain physically attached to one another after they have arisen asexually). So fragging is dividing colonies (groups of polyps) into smaller colonies (fewer polyps per piece). By contrast, cutting an anemone into pieces is analogous to cutting you into two or more pieces; and for anemones of most species, the result would be precisely the same -- we would not have numerous identical yous, we would have no you.

Associated with an ability in some anemones to divide (into two or many pieces, depending on the species) is an ability to heal; obviously healing is necessary for regeneration. And although the reverse is not necessarily the case, it seems that animals that do not normally divide also have poor healing ability. So the prospects are dim for propagating anemones of species that do not naturally divide by cutting them into two or more pieces. One person who wrote to me rather triumphantly with a proposal to reduce collection from nature by cutting anemones in pieces as a means of artificial propagation was so pleased because he had cut in half two anemones of a species that does not reproduce asexually (as I recall, it was a species of *Stichodactyla*), and although both halves of one had died, both of the other had survived. So he started with two and ended with two, each half as large as the originals. I failed to see promise in this approach.

And even for the two species of anemonefish host anemones that seem to divide in nature, differences from place to place make me think there may be more than one species of what we think is a single species of each or there may be differences among individuals. Thus, even an anemone that is thought to be able to propagate asexually (*Entacmaea quadricolor*, the bubble-tip, and *Heteractis magnifica*, the "Ritteri" anemone) may die from being cut up.


Daphne Fautin


Daphne G. Fautin
Professor, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
Curator, Natural History Museum and Biodiversity Research Center
Haworth Hall
University of Kansas"
 
Has anyone ever heard of cutting a condylactus anemone in half with a razor to make it reproduce?

how about just cutting the top at the mouth and letting it finish splitting on its own?



Never tried it, but have read about it, as with all propagations, its risky. You may end up with two animals, you may end up with none, its your risk to take. If you decide to go for it, keep us updated.

GL!
 
yeah see i saw that video but it doesnt show how they cut it.

i decided to take the plunge and try it.....so i started to cut it and decided to just cut the top part at the mouth and see what would happen. it shriveled up and then after about 10 minutes reinflated to full size like nothing happened. now i wait and see if it will split.
 
elegance coral - interesting read...thanks.

dpzimmerman - why go thru this exercise on a condy? wholesale they are like a buck to buy. Even retailers sell them tops $5~$10. They are (in the wild) fish eaters with the rare exception of being forced (in our hobby) to host a maroon clown.
 
my condy hosted a bicinctus pair and a cinnamon clown (separate times of course) I lost it in a tank crash. I never cut it though...
 
Well first of all i was just interested in seeing if it would work. I like the way condys look and want a few of them in my tank. I live in oxford ms where my lfs is really terrible and the chances of them ever having anything i want are very slim. so i can either order them online and pay high shipping costs or learn to make them reproduce.
 
I have a friend that cuts bubble tips all the time. He has got it to the point he doesn't lose any of them. The key he said was cutting as clean as possible and straight down the middle. Make sure you make it 1/2 and1/2 and get the mouth on both sides....
 
Just to add (taking all consideration of elegance coral's post) that money and supply isn't necessarily the only thing that could be a concern here as well. You could also look at it as a conservation effort as well, helping to save wild populations.
 
If you do cut make sure everything after the cut is the least stressful for it. Don't mess with it and just let it be so it can heal naturally. Our local club actually did a meeting about cutting bubble tips.
 
Just to add (taking all consideration of elegance coral's post) that money and supply isn't necessarily the only thing that could be a concern here as well. You could also look at it as a conservation effort as well, helping to save wild populations.

Conserve what?

Conservation around clown-hosting anemones makes 100% sense. They should not be taken from the wild as they offer sanctuary for clownfish and there is a mutual symbiotic relationship.

Condylactis eat fish. They serve no hosting purpose in the wild.

There has got to be a fish club in every state of the union that has a RBTA clone. Instead of buying the condy in the first place - go and get a RBTA clone!

Achilles BC - every anemone is different. Arguing that success with an RBTA will work on a condylactis doesn't make sense. Just read elegance-corals' post above.
 
I can't speak for all of the Caribbean where Condylactis live, but I'm very familiar with the Florida Keys. 20 years ago there were areas where you could find condy's every 5 or 10 feet. Now you may not find any in those same areas. It would be great to find a way to propagate these anemones in captivity. Unfortunately, cutting them in half isn't the answer. When you propagate something, the goal is to end up with more individules than you started out with. Cutting anemones in half that don't reproduce asexually, results in fewer anemones than was had to begin with. There's nothing about the lifestyle of Condy's that would lead us to believe they reproduce asexually. That leaves us with sexual reproduction as the only viable means of propagation.
 
I can't speak for all of the Caribbean where Condylactis live, but I'm very familiar with the Florida Keys. 20 years ago there were areas where you could find condy's every 5 or 10 feet. Now you may not find any in those same areas. It would be great to find a way to propagate these anemones in captivity. Unfortunately, cutting them in half isn't the answer. When you propagate something, the goal is to end up with more individules than you started out with. Cutting anemones in half that don't reproduce asexually, results in fewer anemones than was had to begin with. There's nothing about the lifestyle of Condy's that would lead us to believe they reproduce asexually. That leaves us with sexual reproduction as the only viable means of propagation.

Well let me be the first to admit my mistake and retract my statement on "conserving what" as my narrow-minded view was that they were abundant. Clearly mistaken. I will wonder though if that is a result of overharvesting (likely) or a combination of habitat destruction and harvesting (more likely?)

But we agree - don't cut them to save/make money and don't cut them thinking it will help with conservation.
 
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