Anyone Thinking of Dumping LEDS and going back to Halides

In 5 years you can save $200 in energy alone
comparing a 250w halide to a 140w led so subtract that from your led cost
then add the cost of bulbs for 5 years and you will see the savings
550 for leds for 5 years
300+70+70+70+70=580 for halides for 5 years
+ leds will save you $200 in energy bills in 5 years

$70 is the cost of a typical halide bulb
 
Update from my end:

I've had the Cebu Sun over my 120 for about a month now. I'm using 2x 250w radiums on Hamilton M80 ballasts, along with two ATI true actinics, one blue+, one purple+, and two BML ~10-14kish strips for sunrise/sunset.

The difference in coral color between this setup and LED/T5 is absolutely NIGHT AND DAY. Many of my corals are showing colors I have never seen before, in particular pinks and purples. All of my Poicioporids are now showing deep magenta on their upper surfaces, my purple Digi is more purple than I've ever seen it with some metallic green flecks showing up in certain polyps on the upper surfaces, and everything is much more vibrant in terms of color.

I've also had a few corals that I had all but given up on after a tank teardown/reboot come back from the dead. I have a Forest Fire Digi that was down to a handful of rather bleached looking polyps, and has grown to recover about 90% of the skeleton that was exposed. A BN that I had grown from small frag to softball sized STNed down to maybe 5% of its former self, and all of the miniscule frags I managed to salvage have at least doubled in size of the past month. The same also applies to my Birds of Paradise BN. My huge (grew it from ~.5" square to multi-tiered and 12"+) red Cap was about 80% bleached following the teardown, and it has made a complete recovery.

To top it off, reduced heater usage ended up saving ~$20 last month.

To anyone contemplating the switch to MH, GO FOR IT.

Wow that is good to hear and see improvements making the switch.. Im currently in transition and excited to get my Cebu up and running... Thanks!
 
In 5 years you can save $200 in energy alone
comparing a 250w halide to a 140w led so subtract that from your led cost
then add the cost of bulbs for 5 years and you will see the savings
550 for leds for 5 years
300+70+70+70+70=580 for halides for 5 years
+ leds will save you $200 in energy bills in 5 years

$70 is the cost of a typical halide bulb

You need to go back and actually read this thread.
All of this has been covered multiple times.
$200 in five years is NOTHING.
I would gladly pay that multiple times over for the improved coral health and color that I have experienced.
Plus I probably make it back and more in frag sales!
 
In 5 years you can save $200 in energy alone
comparing a 250w halide to a 140w led so subtract that from your led cost
then add the cost of bulbs for 5 years and you will see the savings
550 for leds for 5 years
300+70+70+70+70=580 for halides for 5 years
+ leds will save you $200 in energy bills in 5 years

$70 is the cost of a typical halide bulb

Your numbers look great. However, Im in the hobby to grow and enjoy colorful corals. Some people in the hobby are in it for the equipment and build. Others for experimentation. I get your numbers are a huge savings, but that is not my goal.

If I was in this hobby to save energy, I wouldn't be in this hobby. Some people drive prius's others drive trucks. They both have different goals in mind, but they both co-exist for this reason. Reason Im switching to halides is I want to see improvements over my LED's. Im sure in 5 years I would save money on LED's but in 5 years there is going to be even better LED technology that my be even less expensive as they are now.

BTW: My wife and I just bought a new prius... Maybe this can offset my carbon footprint of my tank?
 
Anyone Thinking of Dumping LEDS and going back to Halides

Why does this always have to turn into a cost savings discussion??? Whoever said if it was about saving money they wouldn't be in the hobby hit the nail on the head. $200 estimated savings over five years is nothing. Anyone ever think about the average life expectancy of a reef hobbyist? How many tanks you see being broken down after running for a year because they lost interest or found a new hobby or couldn't afford the hobby anymore? Now they're selling the leds that they paid a lot for so they could save $40 a year for half of what they paid for them. So now where's the saving????
 
Why does this always have to turn into a cost savings discussion??? Whoever said if it was about saving money they wouldn't be in the hobby hit the nail on the head. $200 estimated savings over five years is nothing. Anyone ever think about the average life expectancy of a reef hobbyist? How many tanks you see being broken down after running for a year because they lost interest or found a new hobby or couldn't afford the hobby anymore? Now they're selling the leds that they paid a lot for so they could save $40 a year for half of what they paid for them. So now where's the saving????

I like you Spotter.. You're alright lol
 
I agree, the cost savings drum has been beat to death. Not only are those cost savings somewhat suspect when everything is added together and all things are considered, but they seem silly(to me anyway) when you look at the costs of tanks, equipment, and livestock.

If LEDs were dirt cheap to buy up front then I'd understand the "bargain" aspect of them. I'm somewhat baffled, then, when i see people gladly pony up as much or more money on their LEDs than the tank and rest of the equipment cost and then say that they are doing it to "save money":crazy1:

I want to have corals that look amazing, and when I've seen LED systems that produce beautiful results(very few of these IMO), the LED systems cost ridiculous amounts of money and use two thirds as much electricity as traditional lighting. I will use whatever lighting system results in the best looking corals, and perhaps that will be LED at some point, but not so much right now...
 
Last three posters +1:)
My build is set up with a large MH/T5 area but also set up two different areas to try LEDs. Need to see for myself under same conditions:) :reading:
 
Chopped Liver? :D

ok Sirreal... you get one too +10

It is through your sacrifice to the god Radion that we all can be saved. So thanks:p

I know right..lol

Moving forward for anyone I missed.. here you go

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Dennis is the real hero, it took a lot of guts and faith to do what he did. I chickened out on the full blown LED purchase, and it was a good decision.
 
Dennis is the real hero, it took a lot of guts and faith to do what he did. I chickened out on the full blown LED purchase, and it was a good decision.

Yeah, my wife would of looked at me with her head tilted and said "start doing drugs its cheaper"... but you have to pay to play...
 
LOL, too funny. I was just sayin... cause I said the exact same thing as muttley, spotter, and mhucasey but my post got lost at the bottom of the previous page. That's always the worst spot for a post! :D
 
In 5 years you can save $200 in energy alone
comparing a 250w halide to a 140w led so subtract that from your led cost
then add the cost of bulbs for 5 years and you will see the savings
550 for leds for 5 years
300+70+70+70+70=580 for halides for 5 years
+ leds will save you $200 in energy bills in 5 years

$70 is the cost of a typical halide bulb
You completely lost me on your numbers lol...


Here's my numbers you figure it out:

$190 - cost of my complete 3x 250w MH setup I just bought (killer deal off Craigslist)



Or to compete with that I would need:

$1800+ for

3x radion pros
Or
3x Hydra 52's




So how long before I'll break even on those $1800+ leds vs my $190 investment???
 
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