And it cost about 12 grand.
at 50% off

Just the amount of copper cable used to link 600w of 0.2w diodes together must be a couple of grand.

And it cost about 12 grand.
I would hope not Wazzel. I think everyone here has tried LEDs and just have a different preference. I am partial to the GHL Mitra lamps, and have a Kessil over a softie tankwhat I gather from the information here is that MH certainly isn't dead from the advent of LEDs, and many experienced reefers prefer the look and growth of MH. Whatever works for you is great
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If the white, blue, and 403nm LEDs gave truly awesome coloration, then why did you replace them with Radions? Would you be opposed to showing a picture of your tank under such a setup to bolster your argument? I think T5s work better than LEDs, I've had all three technologies and beyond all the data, its my opinion. Here are pictures of my tank to show that I have a reason to believe that:Pretty much. But it could be a combination solution, now that just about every part of the spectrum has it's own led.
I was convinced with a white+blue setup adding the 403nm exotics. Truly awesome coloration.. My first thought was, "hooray for not having to drool anymore about mh coloration!"
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If my LED's don't work out for me over the next year, I will be going T5. I will not go back to MH due to the heat.
Anybody see Sanjay at MACNA? Hardly a ringing endorsement for LED. He said that there was no efficiency and that he needed 3 panels to replace a single 400W MH and the growth still was not as good. He would not even touch of color, except for privately. The only efficiency that he saw was if you could avoid running a chiller a lot. I think that he had Radion Pros, but I don't remember that well.
His speech was one of the reasons that many of the locals (since MACNA was local) have started to move to MH at a big pace.
BTW - I can grow coral with LED, and did. It just was not as good - nowhere near as good.
BTW2 - I love it how slight spectrum shift in a MH bulb over 2 years is a huge negative, but changing the spectrum all the time with a LED is a huge benefit.
Actually, considering there are only a handful manufacturers of LEDs used in the commercial fixtures we see for sale, yes, all LEDs are the same. And since they all pick the worst possible bins for coloring up a reef tank (since they have better numbers on paper), what little difference there is among manufacturers disappears rather quickly. So, yes, all LEDs are the same. :lol:You can't make a general statement like all leds are the same, they're not.
That's not an answer to my question. That's the answer YOU think it should be, but again not all leds are the same, period.
So, anyone else care to snuff my "ignorance" out on my question?
It isn't that nobody wants to answer your question. It's that it is a silly question that has no bearing on the discussion. Yes, if MH and LED put out the same exact spectrum, and have the same exact light spread, then yes, they are fully equal. The question is silly, because they are two light sources with difference spectral outputs and light spread.Well sorry guys, seems nobody wants to answer the one single question I have.
I know you just don't want to say the truth about it.
But I think I've stayed long enough, group mentalities are what's wrong with the hobby, not led's.
Or how about scratch every single thing I've said, let's pretend I just entered the conversation!
Hey guys! I see metal halides and t5's are being compared to led's.
How is it possible that led's can grow some of the spectacular tanks I've seen on the internet that rival metal halides and t5's if led's don't work?
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On second thought, whatever lol...
You guys want to rant and rave like you're experts on the areas of lighting, but you can't answer my one simple question. You've avoided it for several pages.
For those who are actually curious about the differences, I hope there's no hard feelings.
The others who are talking out their wazoo and obviously biased, well, good luck with your tanks, it's about the creatures after all and not what you prefer for lighting. I know metal halides and t5's work just fine, but please don't discount everyone so rudely that shows an interest in newer technologies that are progressing quite nicely. That's just bigotry.![]()
You get red, blue and green. Is this supposed to be a trick question?I am NOT denying led spectrums are different. But you CAN make different led's.
What happens when you combine red, blue, and green?
Thanks very much, I like to tinker to further tweak the color of the corals, and so I continue to try new combinationsLove the tank, I actually just copied your recommendations for bulb setup on the T5 thread. I love the look and corals are definitely responding and coloring up more and more. T5's rock for sure!
If the white, blue, and 403nm LEDs gave truly awesome coloration, then why did you replace them with Radions? Would you be opposed to showing a picture of your tank under such a setup to bolster your argument? I think T5s work better than LEDs, I've had all three technologies and beyond all the data, its my opinion. Here are pictures of my tank to show that I have a reason to believe that:
Many here who defend LED talk about how they started with X unit, but now are using Y unit, many times in less than 2 years. They say that the new Y unit has figured it all out! In my mind they already have replaced one failed LED system and have completely invalidated any claim to be saving money. Replacing bulbs is always cheaper than replacing fixtures...
All this discussion has brought up a question for me. If MH provides the fuel for color, how many hours a day would one need to run a Halide light with a full led system to just give the corals a punch to polish the colors.?
Awesome tank! Great colors! Makes me think an ATI fixture could be in my future.
All this discussion has brought up a question for me. If MH provides the fuel for color, how many hours a day would one need to run a Halide light with a full led system to just give the corals a punch to polish the colors.?
I hate it when work gets in the way of reef stuff! I can't believe all of the posts from today....I have some catching up to do.
You didn't miss much. Just some troll feeding and troll vomiting