AWT results
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Billybeau1
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I would say no, but read Randys article on Boron in the Reef Tank and decide for yourself. 
dickhordishay
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is mg/ml the same as ppm? they measure in mg/ml
Billybeau1
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I haven't seen mg/ml and no that is not the same as ppm.
mg/l is very close to ppm and for our purpose is samo samo.
Doc, I question the boron results in your results. I find it hard to believe it is that low. It would be interesting to know how they tested for that.
Billybeau1
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BTW Doc.
Congrats on winning the Big Ten title. You've got quite a team this year.
My Fighting Illini just had their number.
Congrats on winning the Big Ten title. You've got quite a team this year.
My Fighting Illini just had their number.
Billybeau1
Premium Member
Yes but aren't those other guys going by AWT results ?
Are we are sure they are testing for boron properly ?
Randy talks like there should be an average of 4.4 ppm boron
Something is amiss me thinks.
Are we are sure they are testing for boron properly ?
Randy talks like there should be an average of 4.4 ppm boron
Something is amiss me thinks.
RokleM
Premium Member
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11205983#post11205983 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Billybeau1
Yes but aren't those other guys going by AWT results ?
Are we are sure they are testing for boron properly ?
Randy talks like there should be an average of 4.4 ppm boron
Something is amiss me thinks.
Mine as off the charts low .04, and I confirmed it with the Salifert kit. I dosed some Borax and have it back to near normal numbers. My pH has risen up .3 points on average (a pH drop is a low boron symptom). I believe their test is probably a good indicator, however if it's _near_ normal levels I personally wouldn't mess with it.
I was using 100% Kent, and switched to a 60% Tropic Marin Pro / 40% Kent mix. The pH on Kent's salt on a fresh mix is a little too low to get an accurate Boron reading. Salifert claims that it needs from 8.0-8.5 I believe it was to get a reading, but with 8.1 (fresh Kent mix) it won't test because it's too low.
Billybeau1
Premium Member
I would be curious to know what the boron level tests at in a freshly mixed batch of saltwater.
Yes but aren't those other guys going by AWT results ?
Some have of normal levels and some have low levels from AWT. Some salt mixes are low in B. *If you go by past salt assay they are all over the place from high to low depending on brand.
Randy talks like there should be an average of 4.4 ppm boron
Yes should be but does not me is. Randy only tested IO.
I would be curious to know what the boron level tests at in a freshly mixed batch of saltwater.
Some have sent in fresh seawater. Most are getting normal levels. Some have had B to ~ 1 ppm and some salt brand freshly mixed can be and are at ~1 ppm or less.
I question allot of their tests to include B. But some tanks are going to have low B just like some salt mixes may be low B. Even if a fresh salt mix tests normal it does not mean the tank is normal. So, I'm not surprised that B is all over the place on these tests. Few sup with B. Dr is using Oceanic IIRC, which in past test has shown to be ~ 1 ppm B and NSW is ~4.5 ppm.
In short I think AWT has raced off so to speak to quickly to start this business. I have even given them RC links to the questions and wonder why they are not here with answers.
They should know we can make them or break them What also bother me is they do not have or give a phone number. And they have never called me and I asked them to. I guess they seem to think we are not good enough to talk to 
I told them flat we are not a bunch of dummies and we know allot more than they think we know I also gave the a link to Randy's Reef Chemistry Articles to prove a point.
Some have of normal levels and some have low levels from AWT. Some salt mixes are low in B. *If you go by past salt assay they are all over the place from high to low depending on brand.
Randy talks like there should be an average of 4.4 ppm boron
Yes should be but does not me is. Randy only tested IO.
I would be curious to know what the boron level tests at in a freshly mixed batch of saltwater.
Some have sent in fresh seawater. Most are getting normal levels. Some have had B to ~ 1 ppm and some salt brand freshly mixed can be and are at ~1 ppm or less.
I question allot of their tests to include B. But some tanks are going to have low B just like some salt mixes may be low B. Even if a fresh salt mix tests normal it does not mean the tank is normal. So, I'm not surprised that B is all over the place on these tests. Few sup with B. Dr is using Oceanic IIRC, which in past test has shown to be ~ 1 ppm B and NSW is ~4.5 ppm.
In short I think AWT has raced off so to speak to quickly to start this business. I have even given them RC links to the questions and wonder why they are not here with answers.
They should know we can make them or break them
What also bother me is they do not have or give a phone number. And they have never called me and I asked them to. I guess they seem to think we are not good enough to talk to I told them flat we are not a bunch of dummies and we know allot more than they think we know I also gave the a link to Randy's Reef Chemistry Articles to prove a point.
Billybeau1
Premium Member
So I guess to answer the Doc's question, the answer would be, not to worry unless you are having pH issues.
I suspect, as Randy says, Boron isn't really important to test for in the first place.
From his article
"In general, boron is not an important element to control in aquaria."
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11207646#post11207646 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Boomer
They should know we can make them or break them
Just call aquamedic usa, I'm pretty sure you will reach awt.
Don
WOW, thanks Don for that :thumbsup:
Now that is a conflict of inrterest, as they sell a aquamedic salt.
http://www.aqua-medic.com/reef_salt.shtml
Aqaumedica
http://www.aqua-medic.com/
Aqua Medic of North America
546 S.E 8th St Unit C-16 Loveland, CO 80537
Phone: 970.461.0023 Fax: 970.461.5879
Toll Free: 877.208.2633
AWT
A division of Global Aquatic Products, Inc.
546 8th Street SE Suite C-16
Loveland CO, 80537
Now that is a conflict of inrterest, as they sell a aquamedic salt.
http://www.aqua-medic.com/reef_salt.shtml
Aqaumedica
http://www.aqua-medic.com/
Aqua Medic of North America
546 S.E 8th St Unit C-16 Loveland, CO 80537
Phone: 970.461.0023 Fax: 970.461.5879
Toll Free: 877.208.2633
AWT
A division of Global Aquatic Products, Inc.
546 8th Street SE Suite C-16
Loveland CO, 80537
Nah Don, you can't test things like Mo with a probe. They say they are using spectrophotometry, auto-titration, and specialized ion specific probes, aka ISE as you mentioned
Now that you have blown the whistle, in my mind anyway, I'm thinkin more like they went out and bought a HACH Spectrophotometer, like a DR 5000 or DR 2800, sup's it with a auto titrator (maybe for Mg++, Ca++ and ALK) and some ISE's and then gave a couple of lab rat a jod And YES, thinkin that reealllly bothers me. There are lots of issues with Spectro's if you do not know what you are doing, same with ISE probes. And all of this would explain so many funny results. Not a very BRIGHT idea to have the same address :lol:
They came across, like they where already a lab and this AWT was just a side business. I no longer have any/much hope for their test procedures.......BUSTED>>>>>>>>>>>
Now that you have blown the whistle, in my mind anyway, I'm thinkin more like they went out and bought a HACH Spectrophotometer, like a DR 5000 or DR 2800, sup's it with a auto titrator (maybe for Mg++, Ca++ and ALK) and some ISE's and then gave a couple of lab rat a jod
And YES, thinkin that reealllly bothers me. There are lots of issues with Spectro's if you do not know what you are doing, same with ISE probes. And all of this would explain so many funny results. Not a very BRIGHT idea to have the same address :lol:They came across, like they where already a lab and this AWT was just a side business. I no longer have any/much hope for their test procedures.......BUSTED>>>>>>>>>>>
