Bayer dosages for smooth skin acro dipping

Ok ,Thanks , I use the same concetrate for dips @ 30 ml for 1500ml of tank water for 8 minutes . Your dose is about double that ,so, I could probably go higher.Acros tolerate it well. It does have cyflurthrin in it which is highly toxic to fish in very small amounts.
So, I'm careful to place a dipped coral in gallon or two of tank water for an hour or two with a small powerhead to remove any residue befoe putting it in the tank.
 
This is why I don't like bayer. Everybody has a different dosing amount. When I dosed 10ml per cup as (many of you are saying) I killed a few acros. I keep it around because it's cheap and i have a ton, but I only use it if I run out of other stuff.
 
I am amazed by the various approaches to treating AEFW. So what do we know

1. Little to no information published in scientific journals
A. http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2007-09/mc/
B. http://www.melevsreef.com/aefw.html
C. Amakusaplana acroporae--species name
D. Taxonomy and life history of the Acropora-eating flatworm, Amakusaplana acroporae nov. sp. (Polycladida: Prosthiostomidae) Coral Reefs 30:693–705.
E. More anectodal reports are available through google search
F. No known natural predator of AEFW

The AEFW is small and hard to see, the eggs are smaller and harder to see. Don't know if the flatworms can float and attach to corals on a per chance basis. Assume eggs need to be near acropora and do not travel far. Eggs attach at base or on damaged coral skeleton. Assume most hobbyists don't recognize infected pieces well because of difficulty in visualizing pest or eggs. Known to infect in the native habitat (reefs). Assume wholesalers may have infestations in holding tanks. Assume most lfs will therefore have infestations. Assume likely endemic throughout hobby.

My personal assumption is Bayer is most current effective preventative dip. There are multiple formulations and many recommended dipping procedures. The least concentrated and shortest duration dip that is effective would be preferred ( don't know that info yet). Many hobbyists strongly advocate their favorite regimen but little or no evidence available to confirm. My bias has been to use fellow reefer, Flamron's dosage regimen,(http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1965880&page=27), on new frags: 1. Remove frag from plug or base rock first 2. Dip frag in "Bayer Complete Insect Killer" of 10 ml in 4 ounces of reef water for a minimum of five minutes to fifteen minutes and then thorough rinse and/or soak with reef water to avoid any Bayer contamination into tank (harmful to many tank inhabitants, fish , shrimp, and pods.) 3. then quarantine frag for a period of time. Some frags will respond adversely (RTN) particularly smooth skinned acros. Some hobbyists report success with less concentrated dips and describe flatworms detaching from acro but difficult to assess whether it is AEFW detaching or other type of benign flatworms. Eggs do not seem to be effected or killed by dip. Ideal dosage is not known, nor duration of dip time, nor if there is a better agent to be utilized.



Treatment regimens have been shared by hobbyists for an active in tank infestation of AEFW as well. An in tank infection presents extraordinary difficult treatment options. 1. Hard to see infestation on a hand held coral frag, so identifying colony infestation in the tank is much more challenging ( clues are bite marks, poor polyp extension, less healthy appearance than previously noted, visually noting worm or eggs). 2. Eggs may be in rock and likely impossible to completely locate for removal 3. The number of dips for an in tank infestation nearly impossible to predict because of reinfestation potential from eggs in rock or free floating acropora eating flatworms.

There have been a handful of reefers who have reported successful elimination of the AEFW tank infestation. Treatments described by hobbyists include using many agents, such as Revive, Bayer (multiple product variations available--unclear what active ingredient is responsible for flatworm death), levamisole, iodine, etc. Dosages and duration of treatment have varied greatly among hobbyists sharing information.

So in conclusion, this is what I believe the current status is: 1. assume new frags may have AEFW. 2. Observe and evaluate new frags. 3. Remove old plug or base. 4. Dip in Bayer (my bias) preventatively. 5. Qt all new tank inhabitants. 6. If in tank infestation--good luck. 7. like many tank infestations/plagues, other factors may play a role that are not yet understood
 
How many are still using RPS all out?.
Does it kill eggs , as claimed?…

How many people with big AEFW flatworm infestations do nat have several wrasses in their SPS tank?.

Mo
 
How many are still using RPS all out?.
Does it kill eggs , as claimed?…

How many people with big AEFW flatworm infestations do nat have several wrasses in their SPS tank?.

Mo

I am, and I'm not sure, but I was able to get rid of my AEFW with it. Now I use it as a preventive dip. I was wrasses-less in mt DT for some time and don't have any wrasses right now. After they fought each other down to a single wrasses the one kept ending up in the sump so I moved him to the FT since it had an overflow box. For me I found that wrasses didn't help much they just fought each other and jumped and my acros were placed to close together for them to get in to and do much help anyways. They also would all hide when ever I basted/blasted mostly my Clownfish and Damsel would eat the free floating AEFW because they were the braver fish
 
What is the ratio formula of bayer per gallon? I dip large quanity so I need more than only a cup.

I am amazed by the various approaches to treating AEFW. So what do we know

1. Little to no information published in scientific journals
A. http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2007-09/mc/
B. http://www.melevsreef.com/aefw.html
C. Amakusaplana acroporae--species name
D. Taxonomy and life history of the Acropora-eating flatworm, Amakusaplana acroporae nov. sp. (Polycladida: Prosthiostomidae) Coral Reefs 30:693"“705.
E. More anectodal reports are available through google search
F. No known natural predator of AEFW

The AEFW is small and hard to see, the eggs are smaller and harder to see. Don't know if the flatworms can float and attach to corals on a per chance basis. Assume eggs need to be near acropora and do not travel far. Eggs attach at base or on damaged coral skeleton. Assume most hobbyists don't recognize infected pieces well because of difficulty in visualizing pest or eggs. Known to infect in the native habitat (reefs). Assume wholesalers may have infestations in holding tanks. Assume most lfs will therefore have infestations. Assume likely endemic throughout hobby.

My personal assumption is Bayer is most current effective preventative dip. There are multiple formulations and many recommended dipping procedures. The least concentrated and shortest duration dip that is effective would be preferred ( don't know that info yet). Many hobbyists strongly advocate their favorite regimen but little or no evidence available to confirm. My bias has been to use fellow reefer, Flamron's dosage regimen,(http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1965880&page=27), on new frags: 1. Remove frag from plug or base rock first 2. Dip frag in "Bayer Complete Insect Killer" of 10 ml in 4 ounces of reef water for a minimum of five minutes to fifteen minutes and then thorough rinse and/or soak with reef water to avoid any Bayer contamination into tank (harmful to many tank inhabitants, fish , shrimp, and pods.) 3. then quarantine frag for a period of time. Some frags will respond adversely (RTN) particularly smooth skinned acros. Some hobbyists report success with less concentrated dips and describe flatworms detaching from acro but difficult to assess whether it is AEFW detaching or other type of benign flatworms. Eggs do not seem to be effected or killed by dip. Ideal dosage is not known, nor duration of dip time, nor if there is a better agent to be utilized.



Treatment regimens have been shared by hobbyists for an active in tank infestation of AEFW as well. An in tank infection presents extraordinary difficult treatment options. 1. Hard to see infestation on a hand held coral frag, so identifying colony infestation in the tank is much more challenging ( clues are bite marks, poor polyp extension, less healthy appearance than previously noted, visually noting worm or eggs). 2. Eggs may be in rock and likely impossible to completely locate for removal 3. The number of dips for an in tank infestation nearly impossible to predict because of reinfestation potential from eggs in rock or free floating acropora eating flatworms.

There have been a handful of reefers who have reported successful elimination of the AEFW tank infestation. Treatments described by hobbyists include using many agents, such as Revive, Bayer (multiple product variations available--unclear what active ingredient is responsible for flatworm death), levamisole, iodine, etc. Dosages and duration of treatment have varied greatly among hobbyists sharing information.

So in conclusion, this is what I believe the current status is: 1. assume new frags may have AEFW. 2. Observe and evaluate new frags. 3. Remove old plug or base. 4. Dip in Bayer (my bias) preventatively. 5. Qt all new tank inhabitants. 6. If in tank infestation--good luck. 7. like many tank infestations/plagues, other factors may play a role that are not yet understood
 
Was a double strength guy myself just to see these suckers twitch immediately. 10ml per cup at 10min. Large Hawkins colony dipped roughly 9 times over the course of 2 months without issue.
 
Many of will probably disagree with me and you can whatever I don't care but I have MANY MANY times dipped Bayer without even measuring it, literally pouring it into my dipping container till the water turns milky white. I dip for 10-15min and use a small circulation pump. Then I rinse very very well and yes I have even done this for smooth skin acros like my Red Dragon Frags and Banana Lokani
 
Many of will probably disagree with me and you can whatever I don't care but I have MANY MANY times dipped Bayer without even measuring it, literally pouring it into my dipping container till the water turns milky white. I dip for 10-15min and use a small circulation pump. Then I rinse very very well and yes I have even done this for smooth skin acros like my Red Dragon Frags and Banana Lokani

Me to. I don't measure any more. I do same dump in till milky dip 10 minutes, rinse frag. I use it on everything. No problems.
 
Many of will probably disagree with me and you can whatever I don't care but I have MANY MANY times dipped Bayer without even measuring it, literally pouring it into my dipping container till the water turns milky white. I dip for 10-15min and use a small circulation pump. Then I rinse very very well and yes I have even done this for smooth skin acros like my Red Dragon Frags and Banana Lokani

I do this too. My DR was just fine afterwards.
 
Many of will probably disagree with me and you can whatever I don't care but I have MANY MANY times dipped Bayer without even measuring it, literally pouring it into my dipping container till the water turns milky white. I dip for 10-15min and use a small circulation pump. Then I rinse very very well and yes I have even done this for smooth skin acros like my Red Dragon Frags and Banana Lokani

Hey there! Forgot your name atm, but you are a very respected reefer around The WI area- probably else where too.
My question was about the MEN's issue.
I guess it takes care of them too.

I think one of my large plate montis may have had MEN's- never saw them though. I didn't have Bayer at the time and tried some old coral RX.- well, I hacked it up pretty good, and the remaining peices seem to be OK.
I don't think I've ever had AEFW's- and I dread the day.
From here on out, I'm dipping all new coral in Bayer for sure.
 
What happened to the RPS all out?.
Does it still exist?.
Does it do what it promised; kill eggs?.

Mo
 
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