bio balls yes or no?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10481747#post10481747 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by catfisher
Not True! I have been using bio balls in my sump along with live rock and have never detected any Nitrates in over a year.
What's not true-
the bioballs in your system aren't performing properly?
I don't think so.
You're nitrates are low because you have LIVEROCK in the system... and who knows how often you change your water......or if you're running a DSB or honkin' skimmer.... :rolleyes:
 
ok heres the real point

in a steril system ( no lr no sand bed)

there will be no difference between a tank with bio balls and a tank with out.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10482730#post10482730 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by A.T.T.R
ok heres the real point

in a steril system ( no lr no sand bed)

there will be no difference between a tank with bio balls and a tank with out.
that's not true, either- of course there's a difference!
Bioballs in a wet/dry provide more surface area for aerobic bacteria to do their job. The water trickles through the bioballs exposing the system's water to more bacteria quicker than if the trickle filter weren't present.
 
Bio balls are great an oxygenate your water heavily. You need to put a prefilter such as a filter pad or micron sock before the water reaches the bioballs to remove particulate
 
O_O ok so if they make no3 faster then your telling me with out bioballs i should deect nh4 and no2 at all times...

think this out people
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10486129#post10486129 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by A.T.T.R
O_O ok so if they make no3 faster then your telling me with out bioballs i should deect nh4 and no2 at all times...

think this out people
You really do need to think this out. Better yet, you should actually try it out: dump two large identical amounts of food in two identical systems, one that contains bioballs and one that doesn't. (Neither system should have any other type of biological filter.) Monitor levels of ammonia, nitrites and nitrates over the next 24 hours and see what you get.
 
now your talking short term.

of course the wetdry will convert faster but in the end the no3 levels will be the same!

now lets put it this way. what if something goes wrong wouldent you prefer fast nh4 to no3 rather then having it take longer.


once the system is up and running for a while there will be hardly any difference ina ny thing. and the no3 would be the same.

feel free to try it out and document everything as i really dont have the time
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10486129#post10486129 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by A.T.T.R
O_O ok so if they make no3 faster then your telling me with out bioballs i should deect nh4 and no2 at all times...
Media like bio-balls don't do denitrification, and the hypothesis is that they inhibit live rock from denitrification as well. The chemistry forum has some pointers to articles on this topic. Some tanks do well with bio-balls. Such systems have enough denitrification from other paths that the nitrate level remains acceptable.

Some people add bio-balls back into a tank to help deal with phosphate issues. The nitrate is consumed in a refugium, along with phosphate.
 
Two things:
* Rinse your polypad filter regularly, every few days to start with, and replace it every week or two. That filter is a great source of trapped organics that will convert to nitrates. Rinsing removes the organics. Some organics can't be rinsed out and replacing the pad removes them.
* I think a lot of the confusion and argument in this thread is because people are using the term 'bioballs' when they really mean wet-n-dry (or trickle) filter. It's not so much the bioballs themselves, it's the highly oxygenated process of that filter.

I also think that proponents of wet-n-dry who work in LFS are confusing the very different requirements of a LFS with a home aquarium. In an LFS, the main object is to avoid poisoning the water of very heavily stocked tanks, and wet-n-dry are terrific at converting large amount of toxic ammonia to 'harmless' nitrate. At home, we don't have anything like that bioload and our aim is to be a bit more refined: we want to push the conversion process all the way through the anaerobic stage of nitrate to nitrogen.

My own opinion? Try rinsing the pads for a few weeks and see if the nitrates stay low after some water changes. My trickle system had nitrates around 20ppm and they reduced to less than 10ppm from that alone. I ended up removing the bioballs completely a few months later, effectively converting the trickle filter system to just being a sump, and the nitrates are undetectable, prob around 1-2ppm.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10482730#post10482730 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by A.T.T.R
ok heres the real point
in a steril system ( no lr no sand bed)
there will be no difference between a tank with bio balls and a tank with out.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10486435#post10486435 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by A.T.T.R
of course the wetdry will convert faster but in the end the no3 levels will be the same!
now lets put it this way. what if something goes wrong wouldent you prefer fast nh4 to no3 rather then having it take longer.

I couldn't have said it better myself.
The time it takes to convert NH4 can be a matter of life or death for aquarium inhabitants, so, in fact, there's a significant difference between a tank with bioballs and a tank with out.

Now wouldn't you rather employ a type of filtration that takes it a few steps further than bioballs can?

padeen- you mentioned some some very valid points.
Welcome to Reef Central :)
 
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"I couldn't have said it better myself.
The time it takes to convert NH4 can be a matter of life or death for aquarium inhabitants, so, in fact, there's a significant difference between a tank with bioballs and a tank with out."

your contridicting your self..
but yes as i said refugium is best.
but at my home tank i use both bioballs and a refugium and i find that to be a good mix
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10482730#post10482730 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by A.T.T.R
ok heres the real point

in a steril system ( no lr no sand bed)

there will be no difference between a tank with bio balls and a tank with out.

not true...unless steril includes no live stock
 
I am on the side of they add - but if you want to ditch them, you need to do it slowly to prevent an amonia spike while adding LRR at the same time. I prefer LRR and a good macro Algae. (which i am still trying to figure out which is the best)
 
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