Bio-pellets, Vinegar, Vodka, or ???

Randy,

Are there any good reasons to stick with Vodka rather than vinegar at this point? Sounds like Vinegar is preferred primarily due to the fact that it's less likely to feed cyano.

I'm a few days away from starting to dose carbon after months of contemplating and weeks of research. My tank is doing better than it ever has, so the thought of taking it to the next level is very attractive to me.

I could always drink the Vodka I've purchased, it's not like it's going to go to waste, that's for sure. :)

Vinegar or Vodka that is the question.
 
Well, with my luck I'm sure I'll have cyano blooms, after which I'll move to vinegar. Wish me luck, I'll keep everyone posted.
 
I really like the thought of trying vodka or vinegar......My SPS looked good, but could be better!

I currently have a net 275g (DT, Frag, sump) water volume, have 0 algae in DT, yet seem to have some algae in my frag tank on the egg crate. Just cleaned it all tho.
PO4 tests at an avg of .018 to .024 (hanna ULR) and Nitrates always been 0.
ALK: 8.6 & CAL 420.....Is a slightly lower ALK better when dosing vodka or vinegar?

Do you know what the suggested dosing rate is for the Vinegar?

Also if i have an extra doser channel should I use that or add to ATO water?

So vinegar or vodka as well????

Is there a negative to simply using half the suggested amount to be safe?
 
based on a net 275g,
-------------Vodka:---OR-----Vinegar
Day 1-3:--- 1.1ml/day --------9ml/day
Day 4-7:--- 2.2ml/day---------18ml/day
Week 2:----2.7ml/day --------22ml/day
Week 3:----3.2ml/day---------26ml/day

I will probably stop there and see how things go for a few weeks.... This doesn't seem like alot, but I really have little PO4 to lower.

So you don't think I would see improvement in SPS colors doing this??

Would one be better than the other here? or mix them??
With this small amount would 2 doses a day be fine for now? Then later add via a doser 6-8 times a day?

Lastly...is vinegar going to ruin the tubing that comes on my doser (BM T101) or the typical clear tubing??
 
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Are there any good reasons to stick with Vodka rather than vinegar at this point? Sounds like Vinegar is preferred primarily due to the fact that it's less likely to feed cyano.

Before we reinstate the 18th Amendment to the US Constitution, I'll try to offer some comments in favor of keeping vodka around as a useful but not necessarily a better option than vinegar.

There is a perception by many based on anecdotal accounts that vinegar dosing is less likely to encourage cyano . There really isn't anything more to go on in terms of which is better for a reef tank: vodka, vinegar or both. Ethanol oxidizes to acetic acid and both are down the cascade of anaerobic bacterial digestive activity.

In my experience they are both beneficial to a mixed reef tank in terms of nutreint management(low PO4 and low NO3), proliferation of sponges feather dusters and presumably other food web members and animal health including good growth and color in a variety of corals. Both are unlike, sugar which definitely caused problems for my corals even in very small amounts. So. I stay away from carbohydrates(polymers) and sugars(monomers) but have no trouble with vodka and vinegar.

I started dosing vodka over 3 years ago and have done so at a moderate dose continuously. After a few weeks at the start, some small patches of cyano appeared here and there; not much but I'm obsessive.
Several savy folks claimed success with vinegar vs cyano in lieu of vodka; so, I dropped the vodka dose by 25% and replaced it with an equivalent amount of vinegar. The cyano disappeared after a week. Maybe coincidence;maybe not. Eager to simplify to one source , I dropped another 25% of the vodka and repalced it with and eqivalent amount of vinegar a week later. The cayno returned.Maybe coincidence; maybe not. In any case I went back to the roughly 75 vodka / 25 vinegar mix and almost no cyano occurs ; none in the display and frag tanks with only an occasional small bit in the chaeto refugium.

There are differences in how you can dose vodka and vinegar in view of long and short term ph effects which may be important in individual situations.

Vinegar adds CO2 quickly and causes precipitous ph drops when bolus dosed . The dose should be spread out during a photosynthetic period.
Vodka will also lead to lower ph but does so slowly which enables bolus dosing without quick and large ph drops.
I prefer bolus dosing. It suits my routine ,requires no equipment and hypotheticaly likely enocourages bursts of bacterial growth with increased anaerobic NO3 reduction.

FWIW, I'm a fan of the 21st Amendment .
 
Lastly...is vinegar going to ruin the tubing that comes on my doser (BM T101) or the typical clear tubing??

I use a BRS 1.1 mL/min doser and have used it for some time (more than a year, I think). The clear hose that soaks in vinegar 24/7 has clouded up, but otehrwise seems fine. Possibly plasticizers coming out. Unfortunate, but not troubling me too much. The yellow tubing inside the doser is not visibly changed.
 
So you don't think I would see improvement in SPS colors doing this??


Well, I suppose it depends on many variables, including what corals they are and why the color might change. I do not have much SPS and do not like the fake pastel colors of the zeovit world, so I haven't looked to see if folks can get there with vinegar, but I do not hear many stories of such cases.
 
I am curious about dosing. I read through the links provided, and noticed the article stressed to not dose without testing. My problem is my nitrates always test to 0 (the excuse I always hear is that the nitrates are "tied up" by the algae). I know I must have nitrates, as I am battling quite a bubble algae problem.

How is this dealt with when beginning a carbon source dosing regimen? Thanks!
 
That article is one person's recommendation. I dose without testing by picking a dose and sticking with it, and adjusting it only if there seems to be a reason to do so. :)
 
randy you started dosing 15ml per 100 gallons first then adjusted it in a few days(no set schedule) and eventually got to 45ml day, per 100 gallons. this is the top dose amount correct?
corey
 
Do you dose pure vinegar, or combined with lime?

Will the pure vinegar lower tank pH?

If vinegar is put in limewater to produce calcium acetate is the total ammount of vinegar ultimately used by bacteria? Eg. 1 gal limewater, 45 ml vinegar. When whole 1 gal is put into an aquarium is it the same as if 45 ml of vinegar was put in aquarium regarding the bacteria food?

Is it possible to put lime directly into vinegar and avoid problems with low tank pH?
How much lime in how much vinegar?
 
vinegar
sorry

I do not recall the exact doses I started with, but I present dose about 100 ml per day for my system with is a 120 display with about 250 gal total.

I dosed 400+ ml per day, but that was clearly too much. I generally have not done slow ramping of doses.
 
Do you dose pure vinegar, or combined with lime?

Will the pure vinegar lower tank pH?

If vinegar is put in limewater to produce calcium acetate is the total ammount of vinegar ultimately used by bacteria? Eg. 1 gal limewater, 45 ml vinegar. When whole 1 gal is put into an aquarium is it the same as if 45 ml of vinegar was put in aquarium regarding the bacteria food?

Is it possible to put lime directly into vinegar and avoid problems with low tank pH?
How much lime in how much vinegar?

I've done it both ways and presently use vinegar only along with limewater top off. I use a dosing pump so the pH concerns are minimal and no worse than with vodka.

To add lime to vinegar, just add enough that it is in excess on the bottom.

Yes, vinegar in limewater is used by bacteria. :)
 
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