Brightwell Aquatics NeoZeo method.

[montrealreef]

Thanks for the tip!

I got concerned when I could not find anything about NeoZeo on the Brightwell Aquatics website.. I was afraid that they might have discontinued the product...

sam

 

[marlon17]

How do I start neozeo on a new cube tank around 50g? I have a skimmer and canister filter already, also got the zeolites, RBF and mB7.


Thanks

 

[rbja]

I'm going to be starting this soon and I have two questions: What is everyone keeping their alk at? I keep mine at 10 and was wondering if that was going to be too high. Second question, what supplement should I start with after the first 5 weeks? Thanks.

 

[speedstar]

I'm going to be starting this soon and I have two questions: What is everyone keeping their alk at? I keep mine at 10 and was wondering if that was going to be too high. Second question, what supplement should I start with after the first 5 weeks? Thanks.

Drop the Alk for certain.

I have a question though, what is the cause of the string snot like brown stuff, is this the Fuel or the MB7? I assume carbon source as the Fuel as the problem but wondering how to proceed.

 

[CHUBAKAH]

To the last six or seven questions, all of this has been answered in the thread more than one time.

The beginning of the thread started here
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1467662

There is a heck of as lot of info so do yourself a favor and read through the thread and see what others have done.

As for me, I am 15 months in and my system is steady as she goes. I am finally going to move over to a doser which was ordered this past week.

For the record I keep my alk right at 7.

 

[tor101898]

To the last six or seven questions, all of this has been answered in the thread more than one time.

The beginning of the thread started here
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1467662

There is a heck of as lot of info so do yourself a favor and read through the thread and see what others have done.

As for me, I am 15 months in and my system is steady as she goes. I am finally going to move over to a doser which was ordered this past week.

For the record I keep my alk right at 7.

Are you also using the salt?

 

[CHUBAKAH]

Are you also using the salt?

Not at this point, but only because it hasn't been readily available. At some point I do plan to make a switch.

 

[Cultivatedcoral]

With regard to the Neo Zeo Marine Salt, I had the pleasure of Chris Brightwell again at a trade show recently. We got to discussing the whole Neo Zeo system. Every time that Chris makes a new batch of salt he tests all of the ingredients himself. That is a very accurate system to keep all parameters in the proper and consistent ranges.

It's not like these other salt companies who make salt in huge quantities where there is alot more room for error.

 

[CHUBAKAH]

With regard to the Neo Zeo Marine Salt, I had the pleasure of Chris Brightwell again at a trade show recently. We got to discussing the whole Neo Zeo system. Every time that Chris makes a new batch of salt he tests all of the ingredients himself. That is a very accurate system to keep all parameters in the proper and consistent ranges.

It's not like these other salt companies who make salt in huge quantities where there is alot more room for error.

Not sure about the next guy, but you completely lost me?

You had the pleasure of Chris Brightwell?
I hope his wife has no idea...
:lmao:

If you discussed the "whole Neo Zeo system" what is it you discussed? The new salt has nothing to do with the Neo Zeo system it's self so......

Lastly, there is a company who shall remain nameless in this thread that is testing every batch of salt, and putting the results on the side of each bucket produced. I'm guessing others will follow suit as someone in the business is always looking to be one step ahead of the next guy.

I'm a huge supporter of the Brightwell products, and have always felt Chris does an outstanding job at what he does.

It's nothing new what he does, he's just good at it.

As for their website, not so much.
:2cents:

 

[Cultivatedcoral]

Haha, I meant pleasure of "speaking with Chris Brightwell. His wife was there too.

We discussed many things regarding the whole ULNS system from his different types of supplements and the cost of products compared to the German version, zeovit as well.

The Neo Marine salt actually has everything to do with the Neo Zeo system. When running a ULNS there are specific parameters that must be maintained to get the best results and have no ill effects with your corals. Alkalinity must be maintained between 6-8 dkh, Mg must be around 1350, K+ should be 380-400, Ca should be 400-425.

The Neo Marine salt is perfectly balanced for this Ultra Low Nutrient System. Their Alk is 7.5 dkh, Mg, K+ etc are all in line for this type of system. You could choose other salt brands but you may have issues. Some salts have very low Mg or K+, some have high alkalinity, some have borate which will throw off your Alk test kit and show an erroneous reading.

You are correct. Chris is good at what he does and you can't beat the price of his products comparatively speaking.

I am not sure if this has been posted previously but here is his paper on the Neo Zeo Method:

http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4UAyBWTUbssOGU4YjQ3ZDUtNjMzMS00MzlhLWFhOGMtYmYwZDkxZGNkNDUx&hl=en

 

[tor101898]

I am in the process of starting a new tank and obtained several buckets of the salt at Macna. In addition, the salt is easily obtained at several of my LFS,so it should't be a problem to obtain. I'll keep everyone posted.
BTW chris brightwell was at macna and as stated before, interesting person to converse with,very knowledgeable.

 

[CHUBAKAH]

Haha, I meant pleasure of "speaking with Chris Brightwell. His wife was there too.

I'll cut you some slack because It's obvious you haven't read this thread back to page one when it started, but yeah I'm well versed on the Neo Zeo system. I've been running it since late August 08.

I've also posted a few of my conversations in this very thread of my meetings with Chris, but it's all good.

I saw and spoke to him a few weeks back in AC at MACNA.

The point I was making about the salt is that while it may be good to use with the Neo Zeo system, the salt it's self, and the system "Neo Zeo" have nothing to do with each other, and had nothing to do with the development of the product " salt" its self.

I was just clownin ya.
:wildone:

 

[Cultivatedcoral]

I'll cut you some slack because It's obvious you haven't read this thread back to page one when it started, but yeah I'm well versed on the Neo Zeo system. I've been running it since late August 08.

I've also posted a few of my conversations in this very thread of my meetings with Chris, but it's all good.

I saw and spoke to him a few weeks back in AC at MACNA.

The point I was making about the salt is that while it may be good to use with the Neo Zeo system, the salt it's self, and the system "Neo Zeo" have nothing to do with each other, and had nothing to do with the development of the product " salt" its self.

I was just clownin ya.
:wildone:

No need to cut me any slack. I can hold my own . I originally posted what I know about the consistency of the testing of the Neo Marine Salt. If you have been running a ULNS for over a year I would assume you are well versed. I was pointing out specifics about running such a system for others who may not know as much as you or I.

Whether you think the Neo Marine Salt has nothing to do with an ULNS that is your opinion. I tend to disagree with that but that is my opinion.

Either way as long as we are trying to help others understand about the whole Neo Zeo system that is all that matters.

 

[agsansoo]

I'm going to have to agree with Cultivatedcoral. While running the Neo Zeo system since January of this year, I felt a good salt blend was the only missing product in the Neo Zeo system, much like ZEOvit Reefer's Best salt but with better pricing. I've been using Reef Crystals for over two years now and must dose Brightwell's Potassion at least three times a week to keep my corals colors from fading. I'm hoping with natural seawater ratios in NeoMarine Salt I shouldn't have to dose so much.

 

[stratos21ss]

I saw and spoke to him a few weeks back in AC at MACNA.

The point I was making about the salt is that while it may be good to use with the Neo Zeo system, the salt it's self, and the system "Neo Zeo" have nothing to do with each other, and had nothing to do with the development of the product " salt" its self.

Did Chris confirm this with you? Might explain why the dKH is not really 7.5 as listed and is instead 11. If true, it's a bummer they used the Neo moniker for no good reason. Are they saying they ignored their own products needs, or are they saying that their system (NeoZeo) alkalinity needs are adequately taken care of with the use of the NeoMarine salt and that the introduction of change water at higher alk isn't a big deal in the NeoZeo system?

Anyway, I have had good results with the NeoMarine salt while running NeoZeo despite the slightly higher alk. Like everything else with these systems it's all a big experiment and that's where the fun is derived for me at least..

 

[CHUBAKAH]

Did Chris confirm this with you? Might explain why the dKH is not really 7.5 as listed and is instead 11. If true, it's a bummer they used the Neo moniker for no good reason. Are they saying they ignored their own products needs, or are they saying that their system (NeoZeo) alkalinity needs are adequately taken care of with the use of the NeoMarine salt and that the introduction of change water at higher alk isn't a big deal in the NeoZeo system?

Anyway, I have had good results with the NeoMarine salt while running NeoZeo despite the slightly higher alk. Like everything else with these systems it's all a big experiment and that's where the fun is derived for me at least..

What's up brotha?

Yes, I did confirm this with Chris when I saw him, in fact it was the first question I had for him. Why name the salt NeoMarine is what I was thinking if it is not directly related to the system its self?

Everyone I know that is using the salt also has confirmed that the ALK is around 11 which is what sparked the question. Of these guys I know using the salt, none are running the NeoZeo method.

With that said, while other systems in this nature state to keep the ALK around 7, I do not recall seeing or hearing anything about the Neo Zeo system making that claim, in fact when Chris came down for a CMAS meeting he was asked that question exactly. His response at the time was that he had seen NO adverse effects from higher ALK levels.



Cultivatedcoral
"Whether you think the Neo Marine Salt has nothing to do with an ULNS that is your opinion. I tend to disagree with that but that is my opinion."
No disrespect, but this is not my opinion. The salt was not developed in direct relation to the NeoZeo method. I can PM you Chris's email if you would like to send him an email for yourself.

Chris's vision of the salt was to come up with a blend that is of the "High End" nature to compete with other companies, and keep the cost reasonable with a HUGE focus on consistency.

agsansoo
It's pretty well documented that Zeolites pull K from the water. If you run that media, it's not going to make a difference what salt you use. It will continue to be pulled out, therefore you will need to dose K epically with an average salt brand like RC.

 

[agsansoo]

agsansoo
It's pretty well documented that Zeolites pull K from the water. If you run that media, it's not going to make a difference what salt you use. It will continue to be pulled out, therefore you will need to dose K epically with an average salt brand like RC.

Yes I'm well aware of the loss of K from Zeolites. I guess I was hoping Chris formulated NeoMarine with higher levels of K like other marine salts available. Is there any testing of K in NeoMarine posted somewhere ?

 

[CHUBAKAH]

Is there any testing of K in NeoMarine posted somewhere ?

http://glassbox-design.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Brightwell-Neo-Marine.jpg
Other than that, I personally do not know of any testing as of yet.

 

[stratos21ss]

What's up brotha?

Yes, I did confirm this with Chris when I saw him, in fact it was the first question I had for him. Why name the salt NeoMarine is what I was thinking if it is not directly related to the system its self?

Everyone I know that is using the salt also has confirmed that the ALK is around 11 which is what sparked the question. Of these guys I know using the salt, none are running the NeoZeo method.

With that said, while other systems in this nature state to keep the ALK around 7, I do not recall seeing or hearing anything about the Neo Zeo system making that claim, in fact when Chris came down for a CMAS meeting he was asked that question exactly. His response at the time was that he had seen NO adverse effects from higher ALK levels.

Hey Chewy Bro how's it going?? ..Everything's good here

Cool enough and thanks for the insight. I'm not going to bother to even worry about it for now unless I learn diff with direct experience with it..I like NeoMarine's quality and looks like it's going to put my tank at around +8 the way it currently runs with full NeoZeo. I also had good results with RC salt so I do not think it really matters on the alk, but does on other stuff which I was making up for when using RC. I agree that NeoZeo as followed in the .pdf is way less potent and effectual on alk than the other system I ran.

Anyways, getting ready to do full combined dosings of the organics and the inorganics using the .pdf formulas..no more measuring/dripping 12 bottles every night lol...I think you are getting ready to do the same? Use the formulas in the .pdf and make an excel spreadsheet from them..all you have to do is enter in the amount of RO in ml you want to use i.e. 500ml etc. and it will spit out the correct ratios to put in the mix for each part. For the inorganics - buy the powders..way more economical.

What's your take on BW..are they serious with the full NeoZeo system, or do you think it is just a sideline for them?

stratos

 

[CHUBAKAH]

I think you are getting ready to do the same?

That's exactly what I am getting ready to do. W8n on a doser as we speak which should be here in another week and I am going to play around with the recipes and see what kind of changes I can make to my system.

Did a major upgrade to my skimming situation about two months ago, and so I had to go back and change up a few things to get back on the edge with my corals.


What's your take on BW..are they serious with the full NeoZeo system, or do you think it is just a sideline for them?

TBH I don't see the focus of BW being on the NeoZeo system, but I also know the story of how NeoZeo came to be, and where some of his focus is going forward with the company.

I feel like the system works very well if you keep up with the dosings. My frustration is that "most" of these things we are adding in our systems you can not test for. When we over dose we have issues, and when we are under dosing we have issues. The PDF was kind of a guideline, but it's all trial and error.

Personally, I've dropped a lot of the items I ran and tested to see results and didn't notice much. I'm still playing around with what works very well for my system, and the last two months I have been spot on with my amounts.

I'm sure that will change in another two weeks.
HA!

stratos