Brightwell Aquatics NeoZeo method.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15401104#post15401104 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reefer08
Personally I think you would get better results with a good skimmer and some GFO in such a small tank.
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Not a whole lot of skimmer options. I believe there's two choices. And I'm not going to buy a 50g+ skimmer for a 14g tank. I do not have room for a large sump anywhere near/under my tank.

Otherwise I would go with a 10g sump and small skimmer.

The "zeo" system is far cheaper than a skimmer (initially) and just requires a little patience, and correct dosing.



<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15401104#post15401104 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reefer08
You mentioned you have red slime appearing, well thats because you over dosed! Red slime or brown slime occurs when we over dose on carbon source.
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No I didn't. The red algae, kinda-confirmed by "capn" is a diatom. He said he had it for almost 2 months.

I never DOSED ANYTHING to get this. It was just appearing. So I did research on GFO's, BRS HC GFO, specifically. Using RODI - TDS @ 1. One thread lead to another, and I found out about "zeo" systems, and I decided to try it, instead of the expensive HC GFO from BRS.


The "stuff" I had, is slowly reducing. I am assuming this is because nutrients are being stripped from the water column and P04/NO3 is very small. Due to - none other - the "zeo" system.
 
Hi, if I wanted to start using the neozeo method, what would I need to get started? these tanks looking amazing.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15403299#post15403299 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kendo
Hi, if I wanted to start using the neozeo method, what would I need to get started? these tanks looking amazing.
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I'd start with reading the Neozeo PDF to make darn sure this is the system you want to do. From there I would read through this thread and see what others have done.

What is your goal with the system? Do you have issues with your system now which you are trying to repair?

If you need the PDF, PM me, and I can send it to you via email.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15403228#post15403228 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by iFisch
Not a whole lot of skimmer options. I believe there's two choices. And I'm not going to buy a 50g+ skimmer for a 14g tank. I do not have room for a large sump anywhere near/under my tank.

Otherwise I would go with a 10g sump and small skimmer.

The "zeo" system is far cheaper than a skimmer (initially) and just requires a little patience, and correct dosing.


No I didn't. The red algae, kinda-confirmed by "capn" is a diatom. He said he had it for almost 2 months.

I never DOSED ANYTHING to get this. It was just appearing. So I did research on GFO's, BRS HC GFO, specifically. Using RODI - TDS @ 1. One thread lead to another, and I found out about "zeo" systems, and I decided to try it, instead of the expensive HC GFO from BRS.


The "stuff" I had, is slowly reducing. I am assuming this is because nutrients are being stripped from the water column and P04/NO3 is very small. Due to - none other - the "zeo" system.
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So your worried of overskimming your tank but your not worried about overdosing and crashing your tank? Hmmmm.....

Using a large skimmer is highly recommended with any carbon dosing. It will help keep your tank highly oxygenated which is something we need with carbon dosing which sucks up a lot of oxygen. Any nano skimmer will do great for your tank, I strongly suggest getting one and disregard the tank volume its suggested for.

Its your tank so do whatever you want with it, this is just my advice.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15405312#post15405312 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reefer08
So your worried of overskimming your tank but your not worried about overdosing and crashing your tank? Hmmmm.....
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No, I am not worried about overskimming, because I do not HAVE THE ROOM for any sort of sump or "side tank". There's enough room under my tank stand for a 5.5g tank. How big of a skimmer will fit in that tiny tank? Nota.



<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15405312#post15405312 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reefer08

Any nano skimmer will do great for your tank, I strongly suggest getting one and disregard the tank volume its suggested for.

Its your tank so do whatever you want with it, this is just my advice.
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I have considered a nano skimmer for my tank. However the only problem is, the ones Oceanic make aren't at all efficient. Many say they don't even notice skimmate. There's defiantly a very wide margin of opinions on these "cheap" $30 skimmers.


Thank you for looking out for me. I appreciate it.
 
How about a hang on the back skimmer? I would try to fit some type of skimmer on your tank. Running a carbon source without a skimmer isn't a good idea. The Tunze Nano skimmer 9002 is a great skimmer.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15406422#post15406422 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reefer08
How about a hang on the back skimmer? I would try to fit some type of skimmer on your tank. Running a carbon source without a skimmer isn't a good idea. The Tunze Nano skimmer 9002 is a great skimmer.
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The Tunze may be too big for the "sump" area Oceanic calls. I will get a better measurement tomorrow.


Not that this helps greatly, but I have 3 different size sponges (loose-fine [for instance maybe 600 microns to 200 microns]) currently in the sump and an ultra-fine poly filter at the end.

Chris Brightwell "ok-d" this method, otherwise I wouldn't have even attempted a neo system. He to highly recommended a skimmer, but said as long as I kept up maintenance with the pads/sponges, it could work, just not as effective, obviously as a true skimmer.

He said clean all the pads every 2-3 days. And I have been. Takes me 5 minutes at the most.


I would love a proven skimmer like the Tunze, trust me, but I don't believe it will squeeze into the area Oceanic calls a "sump". And it's not that I can't afford one either. If spending that much, I'd like one a little bigger and more efficient, because like I stated, I will be upgrading my tank size - but I'm not totally sure "when" it will happen.

Then, I plan to add a decent size sump as well.

I would love to upgrade to the Elos "MINI", but 20g isn't what I was looking for, but for $900, you get quality everything (sump, skimmer, stand) and a high-quality low-iron glass, rimless tank.

I was thinking along the lines of 29g-40g(B).



Time will tell. And I will let you know which route I end up with. :)
 
advise needed. getting some green/yellow film on the rocks. is this normal? i'm currently using biofuel, mb7, no stones and recently started using coralamino. it's just a 10 gallon tank but everything was fine until i started adding the aminos daily like it suggests on the bottle. i'm dosing 1 drop daily. I have only 1 fish and like 20+ corals in there.

tank parameters:
temp. 79-81F
calcium 400
alk 7.0-7.5 dkh
magnesium 1400
nitrate 0 api
po4 <.05 elos
150watt metal halide (xm15k bulb)
amiracle air driven skimmer(thinking about changing)

any suggestions?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15397626#post15397626 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tony K
If you have recently started the neozeo method give it time to reduce your nutrients. You may have no measurable nutrients but they may be tied up in the rocks and algae which is why you don't get any readings.

Now for the funky part, to get rid of the cyano you have to stop dosing the bacteria and biofuel because that is feeding the cyano which is a bacteria. Aerate your water in your sump with an airstone and direct your powerheads to break the water's surface. If you can get your hands on oxygen salts or tablets this will help get rid of the cyano
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Or you could add some KNO3 (potassium Nitrate)

As crazy as that sounds, it worked for me. Ive been using vodka for years, with the neozeo stones added a few months ago. It has allowed me to keep an algae free tank.

But Ive had a cyano problem that would not go away. After adding KNO3 my cyano problem is gone.

you could read about this here.

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=15431132#post15431132
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15350854#post15350854 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ReefWreak
K so, I've been following this thread a bit, and have a basic understanding of how all of these zeo systems, and I just don't get why people keep trying it in Nano/pico tanks (under 30g or so) and/or without skimmers. The whole point of dosing for bacteria is to make the bacteria so it gets skimmed out. Even with tons of filter floss being replaced almost daily, you're still letting the bacteria break down. I mean, can anyone explain to me what I'm not "getting" here? I want people to be successful with the minimum expenditure on chemicals and proprietary blends of whatnot, but comeon. Do a dang waterchange in a 14g tank. You don't have enough water volume in that small a tank to get the results of the greats like SunnyX and PnoyReefer.

I don't mean to hate, but I want people to be realistic and not spend money with false hopes.
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+10000000000000000

I couldn't agree more!
 
Im new to brightwell so I have a few questions. (I dose Zeovit but thinking about switching)


Any advantages of using Biofuel vs. Vodka?

Also how often is it recommended to pump the stones in the zeolith reactor?
 
I have dosed sugar for quite a while but it seems recently I may have overdosed. I have a brown bacteria mat on the ssb. Other than this recent oops, I have had good results with dosing the sugar. I haven't dosed bacteria up to this point. I want to continue the carbon/bacteria driven approach. I have stopped dosing sugar and I ordered Brightwells neozeo stones, microbac7, and aminos. I plan on using vodka for the carbon source. My question is will the brown bacteria work itself out? Will the microbac7 help or make it worse? How should I approach this?
My set-up is a 100 gallon display/30 sump/30 frag tank. I have a ssb. I have been running gfo and I intend on replacing it with the zeolith stones. Any advice?
 
With all these carbon source dosing:
1. Do not run GFO.
2. Always run Carbon (GAC).
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Why not use GFO/rowaphos??

I use it with the fauna marine system with no problems.


Why do you have to run carbon?

Using gfo is a bit like running carbon anyway as it also removes organics.
 
Ok buddy then go dump some carbon source into a nano tank without a skimmer and let me know what happens.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15458490#post15458490 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reefer08
Ok buddy then go dump some carbon source into a nano tank without a skimmer and let me know what happens.
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LOL. No I agree with that:) I just disagree with the statement "you don't have enough water volume to have great results like Sunny or Pnoy"
 
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