Brightwell Aquatics NeoZeo method.

[CeeGee]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13568692#post13568692 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sammy33
I think a phos reactor would work with a couple extra things added. I would get maybe a 250 - 300 gph pump and put a ball valve on the output of the pump to control the flow. A rio 1100 even comes with an inline valve. The valve would allow you to cut the flow down to operating levels of 100gph and you could periodically crank it up to blow the bio film off the zeo stones.

The second thing I would add would be a tom flow meter so you can set the flow more accurately. The one that measures 50-250 gph would work. I think something like this would work well:

Hmm? :reading:

if you value your tank you would not put anything into it with the name brand rio on it.

 

[GatorWPB]

Thanks for the thoughts Sammy. I think my only concern was whether the Phosban reactor was large enough to fit the zeolite media. BUt I will look into a larger pump so that I can up the flow to clean out the media.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13569373#post13569373 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by CeeGee
if you value your tank you would not put anything into it with the name brand rio on it.

I hear you, but my reactor is already running with a rio 800 I think. The little rio pumps dont seem to have much problems.
I certainly wouldnt run my return or skimmer with one lol :eek1:

 

[PnoyReefeR]

I just passed my 3 months on this product ... Im still hesitant to try the neozeo ....

 

[PnoyReefeR]

double post sorry

 

[PnoyReefeR]

Only using:
Microbacter
Biofuel
Potassium
Coral Amino
Coral Snow
Koral Color

Monday will start to add:
Iodide
Replenish

 

[LooseHip]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13574205#post13574205 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reeferpnoy
Only using:
Microbacter
Biofuel
Potassium
Coral Amino
Coral Snow
Koral Color

Monday will start to add:
Iodide
Replenish

Corals look great, have you noticed a big difference from when you started until now?

 

[PnoyReefeR]

Loose

Yes I have noticed a difference in my water quality, colors and growth. I say 60% of my colors, growth are from BWA products and the rest is from Carbon rox.08 and my new lighting combo. Those are the 3 things I started last 8/15. So far I am going to continue doing it...

 

[LooseHip]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13575664#post13575664 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reeferpnoy
Loose

Yes I have noticed a difference in my water quality, colors and growth. I say 60% of my colors, growth are from BWA products and the rest is from Carbon rox.08 and my new lighting combo. Those are the 3 things I started last 8/15. So far I am going to continue doing it...

good to know, I am using coral amino, and reef snow with good success, I think I will try the other products as well.

 

[NaH2Ofreak]

I just started the NeoZeo method three days ago. Was using Prodibio for many months. I have a 39gal cadlights, all in one tank. I dont have room for another reactor (currently running rowaphos in one) so, I put about 10 of the zeolite stones (mixed the sizes) in a filter bag and put it in the back sump area. I started dosing 1.25ml of the Microbactor7 product daily to the chamber the bag of zeolites is in. I now have what appears to be diatoms all over the sand. I also have a colony of tubs blue zoanthids that havent opened since and a "slouching" green leather coral.

I know that the coral issue and the "diatom" issue is due to the either the neozeo zeolites or the microbactor7. There were no prior problems in the tank like this. I basicly switched to brightwell from prodibio because of cost. What do you guys/gals think, does this sound like an overdose of the microbactor? Maybe the brown on the sand is not diatoms but bacteria???? What about the corals not opening and the "slouching" leather coral?

I sent an email to Chris asking for advise and am awaiting his response but thought I may post here also for some advise in the mean time.

Thanks
Dennis

 

[GSMguy]

whats your ALK?, Zeoliths are significantly more aggressive than prodibio.

 

[DesigDiver]

from what I understand u are not suppose to or shouldn't use any type of phos media if u are using the zeolith stones Becuz they themselves act as the phos absorber/binder...but I could be wrong..

 

[layer3switchguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13590636#post13590636 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DesigDiver
from what I understand u are not suppose to or shouldn't use any type of phos media if u are using the zeolith stones Becuz they themselves act as the phos absorber/binder...but I could be wrong..

Hi,

Yes, that is correct. Discontinue any GFO, phos media, etc...

L3

 

[LooseHip]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13587286#post13587286 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by NaH2Ofreak
I just started the NeoZeo method three days ago. Was using Prodibio for many months. I have a 39gal cadlights, all in one tank. I dont have room for another reactor (currently running rowaphos in one) so, I put about 10 of the zeolite stones (mixed the sizes) in a filter bag and put it in the back sump area. I started dosing 1.25ml of the Microbactor7 product daily to the chamber the bag of zeolites is in. I now have what appears to be diatoms all over the sand. I also have a colony of tubs blue zoanthids that havent opened since and a "slouching" green leather coral.

I know that the coral issue and the "diatom" issue is due to the either the neozeo zeolites or the microbactor7. There were no prior problems in the tank like this. I basicly switched to brightwell from prodibio because of cost. What do you guys/gals think, does this sound like an overdose of the microbactor? Maybe the brown on the sand is not diatoms but bacteria???? What about the corals not opening and the "slouching" leather coral?

I sent an email to Chris asking for advise and am awaiting his response but thought I may post here also for some advise in the mean time.

Thanks
Dennis

I was reading on this today

here is a quote from a "user guide" for Neo Zeo
The aquarist must be cognizant of the fact that NçoZeo is an extremely-effectiveadsorber of ammonium, and that corals that have become accustomed to, and dependant upon, the presence of ammonium are likely to show an initial negative response to the rapid removal of this ion. As one might expect, this is an issue that is primarily encountered in aquaria that have been established for many years; in contrast, aquaria that utilize zeolite filtration from the onset are far less-likely to exhibit
this sort of ammonium-related issue.

Maybe one possible cause?? IDK

http://www.aquabuys.com/neozeo-method.pdf

 

[billsreef]

There is a major problem with that statement. Simply put, zeolite's are not effective, never mind "extremely-effective", adsorber's of ammonium in sea water. They are indeed very effective in FW, but only minimally to slightly effective at adsorbing ammonium in SW. It's just the fundamental nature of zeolites.

 

[rihanssu]

is this part of zeovit?

 

[billsreef]

It's a zeovit knockoff

 

[DesigDiver]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13593938#post13593938 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by billsreef
There is a major problem with that statement. Simply put, zeolite's are not effective, never mind "extremely-effective", adsorber's of ammonium in sea water. They are indeed very effective in FW, but only minimally to slightly effective at adsorbing ammonium in SW. It's just the fundamental nature of zeolites.

do u have any documentation to back up your claim?..

 

[NaH2Ofreak]

Ya...shouldnt use GFO with this system. I know. It's just....really hard to "let it go". LOL!!! Anyways, I yanked the zeolites last night and didnt dose any of the bac's today and still have the brown algae tonight so....I will wait it out and try and get it to go away before I decide what to do again. Thanks for the responses.

Dennis

 

[billsreef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13594469#post13594469 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DesigDiver
do u have any documentation to back up your claim?..

Do a search on zeolite in the Chem Forum

 

[NaH2Ofreak]

Has anyone else experienced the brown algae that develops on the sand bed and powerheads when using this system??? It is causing such bad algae in my tank that Im discontinuing use of it. I know for a fact that the algae is caused by using these additives. I got a bloom within about 3 days of starting the additives on my 39gal CadLights tank. I used about 12 stones in a mesh bag and dosed 0.5ml of the Microbacter7. I did this daily and within 3 days...boom...brown algae everywhere. I stopped using the bac and pulled out the zeovites and added nothing for about 5 days. The algae subsided substantially. Then, I began just dosing the bac again and within a couple days, the algae is back in full force. Ive been a long time prodibio user and have NEVER experienced algae blooms like this. I wrote Chris Brightwell about it and he said that the brown "algae" is actually bacteria biofilms. Whatever it is, it is slimy and brown and very very ugly.

I think im just going to go back to prodibio. Very disappointing considering the price of the brightwell additives. Oh well.

Dennis