Brightwell Aquatics NeoZeo method.

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Im pretty much just wondering about what appears to be diatom growth on the sandbed and the on the pumps and stuff. Does the product contain a lot of silicates.

Im not dosing anymore due to the brown slime growth. It's just too much. I stop dosing for a while, it all clears up, then, I dose 0.25ml of the stuff and within about 3 days, bam! It's back and just continues to get worse from there unless I stop.

Dennis
 
That's interesting. I've got it on my power heads, and all oveer the tank it's self, but I have nothing, and haven't had any on my sand or rock.

I'll report back on Monday, as I will be quite late getting back from the meeting tomorrow.

Any last minute questions guys, get umm up tomorrow before 12noon EST.

Mark
 
Freak how much are you dosing and whats your schedule for dosing it, and are you running the full neozeo or just using the MB7, and the biofuel.
 
I was using just the bac and the fuel. I was dosing 0.25ml of the fuel and running 12 (various sized) zeolite stones. After about 3 days, the brown algae started showing up. Then I stopped for a couple days after cleaning the tank. The brown algae did not come back. I had already removed the zeolite stones so, I started back up with dosing just the bacteria and some biofuel. 0.25ml of each. I had removed the zeolite stones thinking maybe they had released some silicates causing the diatom bloom. Within about 3 days, I had the brown algae back again in full force. So, I gave up. I cleaned the tank up and the brown algae has not returned.

Im going back to the prodibio. It's kind of a boring way to go but...at least I wont have the brown algae to deal with. I would imagine that if I could put up with the brown algae phase, it would disappear the longer I kept dosing. I dont have the tolerance for that.
 
Is nutrients a problem in your tank or are you at a low nutrient stage, if so you could probably knock down your dosage just alittle, or you could add the biofuel each day, but only add the MB7 once a week.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13664511#post13664511 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by NaH2Ofreak
I was using just the bac and the fuel. I was dosing 0.25ml of the fuel and running 12 (various sized) zeolite stones. After about 3 days, the brown algae started showing up. Then I stopped for a couple days after cleaning the tank. The brown algae did not come back. I had already removed the zeolite stones so, I started back up with dosing just the bacteria and some biofuel. 0.25ml of each. I had removed the zeolite stones thinking maybe they had released some silicates causing the diatom bloom. Within about 3 days, I had the brown algae back again in full force. So, I gave up. I cleaned the tank up and the brown algae has not returned.

Im going back to the prodibio. It's kind of a boring way to go but...at least I wont have the brown algae to deal with. I would imagine that if I could put up with the brown algae phase, it would disappear the longer I kept dosing. I dont have the tolerance for that.

TBH the way you ran the system is so far from the directions, I'm not surprised you were unsuccessful.

The Zeolite is supposed to be in a reactor with a certain amount of flow that you monitor, and regulate. Pretty sure if I read back you put the media in a filter bag??

The first two weeks you are supposed to run Microbactor7 only. You said you ran both mb7 and biofuel at the same time. Again, not what the directions clearly state.

IMO, not really fair to judge the product at all considering you used it your way, and didn't follow the directions.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13666173#post13666173 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by CHUBAKAH
TBH the way you ran the system is so far from the directions, I'm not surprised you were unsuccessful.

The Zeolite is supposed to be in a reactor with a certain amount of flow that you monitor, and regulate. Pretty sure if I read back you put the media in a filter bag??

The first two weeks you are supposed to run Microbactor7 only. You said you ran both mb7 and biofuel at the same time. Again, not what the directions clearly state.

IMO, not really fair to judge the product at all considering you used it your way, and didn't follow the directions.
+1
 
Sorry about that Dennis, didn’t mean to sound rude, if it sounded that way. It’s one of my pet peeves in this hobby when someone comes on and complains abut something they have done that does not work, and the way they did, or went about using it was not even close to the directions. It’s even worse when a new product comes out and someone always has something negative to say based solely on who they are, and what they have done. I’ve seen numerous bashing of Chris Brightwell, and his old company Kent. Fact is, I can’t think of anyone who has had a main stay in this hobby any longer, and that alone speaks volumes to me, regardless of what one thinks about their products.
:2cents:

I just posted in another thread that was on the topic of the Neozeo system, and already it looks as though they may have the wrong idea on the system, and how one goes about getting it up and running, however I am basing that solely on the products they bought to get started, so to that thread started if your reading, no intent to single you out, and I am doing a lot of assuming…

Last Sunday Meeting with Chris Brightwell

I showed up to the meeting about an hour early, and just as I pulled up there were four people heading in to the auditorium. I went in and found out one of those four was Chris Brightwell. Our meeting started about 30 minutes late, so I had the opportunity to speak to Chris one on one for about an hour before anything even started. Turns out the meeting was about the Neozeo system, but more on the method, and not the products themselves. The following are some of the key points I took away from the meeting.

I think the number one question at least from what I have seen here, and the 5 or so friends I have running this system is, “What’s up with this black stuff, and how do I get rid of it?”

Chris at least is calling this Bio Film. From the studies so far it loves plastic, and they have not been able to rid it 100% so far, so until there is more studies done, it looks like we are stuck at least for our pumps to have this on it. As for the rocks, sand, and glass this is going to be up to you to figure out for yourselves. I personally have not had any on anything but my glass, but I had it before I started this system, just a little different in look, so I am cleaning my glass now every 7 days or so. I told him of my experience and his recommendation to me was to stop the MB7, and only go with the bio fuel for a couple of weeks and see if that makes a difference. [I’ll post results of that in another week] Every tank is going to be different, so the amount of what portion of MB7 to Biofuel is also going to be different, but there is a point where you can get it figured out. A friend of mine that owns a LFS has not wiped his glass in over 5 weeks, and his tank is crystal clear. The last point I will make on the biofilm, is that it is very important to have the media [neozeo] in a canister, and regulate the water flow, so follow those directions to a tee. You water needs to have adequate contact time with the media to be as effective as it can be.

Getting the system up and running after the Neozeo â€"œMB7-Biofuel is working, and your nutrient levels have dropped to acceptable levels.

This one of the things I will say I did wrong, and I bet others are as well. Soon as I saw the line of chemicals come out, the first thing I did was run out and buy up everything I saw that was used with this system. While that may be a good idea so you shop less, I also started adding a little of this and a little of that. WRONG
Each product should be started, and run for a minimum of three to four weeks by itself, and you should study your results from that product by taking notes, and taking pictures to see the results of that particular product. Within that four week period you should also be able to up, or lower your dosing to see what works for you. Again, just like the first stage, every tank is going to be different. Some are heavy bio loads, some are not. Some have a ton of SPS, some do not, so its really going to vary depending on what’s in your tank. [Yeah I know, I was wanting the recipe for success myself]

I asked, in what order would you start your products, and if you were only going to dose two what would they be?

First he would start with Coralamino, and second would be the Vitamarin C, but it is very important to have Potassium thrown in there as well, which I thought was pretty interesting. Personally when I read the PDF I wasn’t even going to use the Vitamarin C.

When he explained the combination of the three together, it went way over my head, and the words he used I had never even heard of. It’s pretty obvious Chris is a very well educated guy, and he has a true passion as both a hobbyist, and scientist in the industry. I really took a lot from the meeting with me, and have a slightly different approach now on what direction I am going to go these next couple of months.

There is so much more that was talked about, so if you have any questions, and he spoke about it, I will try and answer the best I can.

One of my last questions before the meeting started was “What brand of salt do you use?” I make my own…

In the next year Brightwell plans to come out with Testing kits, and their own salt brand.

I’ll also mention that he was very clear in letting people know some other points about this system.

• He does not claim to have invented this type of system in any way shape or form.
• This is not something he would use on a nano type of system, and is more designed around the 30 gal and up tanks, however if you are willing to do the match and figure out the proper doses, it could be done.
• This system is not for the guy or gal that travels a lot.
• Take lots and lots of pictures because some of the products make a change so subtle, you won’t even notice if you see you tank every day.

~Mark
 
Mark,

Thank you for great info.. If you can please explain this trio combo
Aminos-vitamic C-Potassium. How they work together and what is the benefits?


mike
 
Mike,
I don't think it was a trio of sorts, but more of a statement of what is important in terms of nutrients these three alone provide, at least that was the way I understood it.

I expect the benefits are basically what I am seeing. Faster growth, better polyp extension, and a thicker more rapidly growing flesh with better color.

My exact question was if you only could afford to use two of the products with the Neozeo, what would be the two? His response was the Coral amino, and Vitamarin C, but the potassium is very important as well.

After that it went way over my head with the breakdown.

Moving forward for me in my system, this week I am only dosing the Coral Amino. I am going to stay that course for the next couple of weeks and see what I see.

I am then going to move on to the Potassium, and play with that and see what I see, then the Vitamarin c, and so on.

This will also keep the cost of this down to a minimum, which in terms of the other products out, this kills them.

I'll be honest, Chris was there to really explain the system, and how it works, and was for sure more of a speech on that, and not his products.

He kept adding, if what you are doing is working for you, and you are happy with your results, then by all means keep doing what your doing.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13440828#post13440828 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by unbreakable
i didnt get to see, but do you have to run your alklanity low in order to use the neo media?
That question was asked at the meeting I recently attended, and he said he has not seen any adverse effects of it being on the high side. When asked where he kept his in the testing tanks, he said around 7.

I keep mine at 8.75
 
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Sounds interesting...really..
I do dose Aminos for long time, i started with zeo and now i am trying Elos. problem with aminos , if you dose to much you can darken you corals . But i wonder what vitamim C can do to a corals?
 
CHUBAKAH..... Thanks for the information. I was considering using this system on my 29 gallon Biocube and wondering if it would work. But after reading your post, I'll just keep on using what I've been doing...... good lighting, water changes, and fish poop!
 
So when using mb7 and biofuel, should we just be adding this for about 4 weeks without adding any amino, or vitamarin c or things like this. Or should we be adding vit c with the mb7 and biofuel when starting out. Also should we be feeding heavy when using the mb 7 and biofuel. Should we be skimming heavy, and skim wet
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13706023#post13706023 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MSHUR
Sounds interesting...really..
I do dose Aminos for long time, i started with zeo and now i am trying Elos. problem with aminos , if you dose to much you can darken you corals . But i wonder what vitamim C can do to a corals?

Aminos seem to be more of a growth stimulant similar to vitamin C where the amino helps with calcification and the vitamin C encourages tissue growth.

I think the results of adding too much of any organic supplement or food would be similar. The excess aminos or other organics may simply translate to an increase in nitrogen resulting in higher zooxanthellae density on corals(brown).
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13707350#post13707350 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by basser1
CHUBAKAH..... Thanks for the information. I was considering using this system on my 29 gallon Biocube and wondering if it would work. But after reading your post, I'll just keep on using what I've been doing...... good lighting, water changes, and fish poop!

I think running a full neozeo regimen in a nano can be done but simply using the MB7 and the RBF without the zeo stones may be a great alternative. The instructions on these products include a drop per gallon dose that could be done on a nano. This would be a fairly effective method for reducing NO3 and PO4 without having to use the zeo media.

You could then also use the potassion and koral color to encourage colors, coralamino and vitamarin C for growth stimulation and Koralle VM for trace replenishing. This is basically what I am doing in my 28g nano cube. :)
 
Thats what im doing in my 55 no zeostones, im just doing MB7 and biofuel, with some vit C. So we will see what happens. Are you dosing the mb7, and the biofuel at the same time or at different times.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13707737#post13707737 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by volcom69
So when using mb7 and biofuel, should we just be adding this for about 4 weeks without adding any amino, or vitamarin c or things like this. Or should we be adding vit c with the mb7 and biofuel when starting out.

I think as your decreasing nutrients and getting PO4 and NO3 levels very low you need to consider adding alternative energy sources for your corals. In terms of organics I was adding aminos, vitamin/trace, phytoplankton, zooplankton, cyclopeeze before starting any of these bac driven methods. Just spread this stuff out over the week and keep the overal dose of organics(food) low but consistent.

Also should we be feeding heavy when using the mb 7 and biofuel.
I think the two things I would look at more than organic supplementation (feeding) is potassium and trace replenishment. The zeo stones (if you use them) remove nutrients more actively resulting in a bio mass. The bio process of nutrient removal uses up the N-P-K trio of macro nutrients. Nitrate and Phosphate we are trying to reduce and potassium also goes down with the other nutrients. This is why potassium dosing is so important when using a zeo stone method.

Typical zeo method users also run activated carbon media to help clear the water and reduce other pollutants. Since carbon media is not selective it will also remove some trace elements. The nutrient reduction bio process will also use up some elements. Koralle VM comes in handy here to replenish these elements.

Should we be skimming heavy, and skim wet.
I skim a bit on the wet side. I have been leaving my skimmer off for extended periods when dosing and I think this encourages the bio film growth. Lately I have just turned it off for about 30 min when I dose the MB7. I may be prematurely skimming some of the microbes out but the bio film seems less. :)
 
Just for the record, when Chris was asked about wet/dry skimming, he said he does not believe in wet skimming ever.
 
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