Brightwell Aquatics "Two Thumbs up!!!"

[Marc]

Hello all, I'm back!!!!!!!!!!

I just wanted to put in my 2 cents. I have been using Brightwell additives for over a period of 6 months. I have used Chris Brightwells Magnesion, Calcion, and his buffer additives and all I can say is that they work better than anything I have used before!!! I have used Kent for almost 5 years and have not experienced the results like I have with Brightwell in less then a year. I have never had coraline growth as I do now!!! My liverock is covered in the purple, pink and my Florida liverock looks awesome with continued growth of orange sponges as well as pink and yellow sponges. I can tell you right now that everything that I wanted my tank to look like has been accomplished using Brightwells products. I wish I had every dollar back that I spent on kent marine products because they did absolutly nothing for me. Even there coraline accelarator did nothing to make my coraline grow. I have used Brightwell Mangnesion, Calcion as well as his buffer additives and BOOOMMMMM!!!! Coraline and sponge growth everywhere!!!! Holy S%$!!!!!! My liverock is now worth $15.00 lb, due to the coraline growth as well as purple mushroom explosions as well my Orange metallic Ricordia finally started to expand it's colony with no manual propogation on my part. They just exploded and I have sold three rocks already for $100.00 a piece! So as for everyone here on this board to mock Chris Brightwell and put him down could go ahead and jump into a lake!!! I don't understand why everyone has to put him down since his products are virtually the first additives that has ever actually produced results in my aquarium. My liverock is TRUE LIVEROCK now thanks to his products!!! So if you have a problem with it, get a life and move on to something else to put down!!!!

Marc

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

So if you have a problem with it, get a life and move on to something else to put down!!!!

:lol:

But chemistry is my life? And yes, I have moved on to criticize many other bogus or badly described products since this thread started. :lol:

I'm glad you are happy with them and they have worked for you. You support is so strong, however, that one might even wonder if you got a kickback of some sort for such an over-the-top paragraph of support. I know I don't get anything from anyone to point out his product flaws. Do you get anything for supporting it? Don’t take this the wrong way, but few of us know you personally, and there are MANY cases of people pushing products on RC, good, bad, or otherwise, that they are somehow linked to, or got something free if they “just tell everyone how good they are”. Not the case for you, right?

You need not get snippy about our criticism, however. You'll note that none of my criticism was directed at the products you report using, calcium, magnesium, or alkalinity additives, aside from some weird incorrect data in his product description for the magnesium solid product and his products that contain aragonite, which I do not think you commented using. I expect the ones you mention do work fine. They are basically all the same chemicals that everyone sells for this purpose, and the same as many DIY recipes.

So just because the ones you used work is no reason to think that his many other products will also work.

One issue is that you sound like you added all kinds of things, and while I do not doubt they have worked well for you, you cannot sensibly claim that every one of them is better than other brands. Many of them are the same chemical as other brands and as the DIY recipes. Maybe none are better than the other brands you and other folks use, but you finally used an appropriate amount of each. Or maybe the tank is not otherwise appropriately aged or otherwise ready for coralline (like appropriately low phosphate, etc).

In any case, if you like the results, by all means keep using them and recommending them to others.

And if you recommend only those you reported here, I'll have little problem with them, aside from not believing that they are fundamentally better than other brands.

 

[martinphillip03]

Well said.

Marty

So if you have a problem with it, get a life and move on to something else to put down!!!!

:lol:

But chemistry is my life? And yes, I have moved on to criticize many other bogus or badly described products since this thread started. :lol:

I'm glad you are happy with them and they have worked for you. You support is so strong, however, that one might even wonder if you got a kickback of some sort for such an over-the-top paragraph of support. I know I don't get anything from anyone to point out his product flaws. Do you get anything for supporting it? Don't take this the wrong way, but few of us know you personally, and there are MANY cases of people pushing products on RC, good, bad, or otherwise, that they are somehow linked to, or got something free if they "œjust tell everyone how good they are". Not the case for you, right?

You need not get snippy about our criticism, however. You'll note that none of my criticism was directed at the products you report using, calcium, magnesium, or alkalinity additives, aside from some weird incorrect data in his product description for the magnesium solid product and his products that contain aragonite, which I do not think you commented using. I expect the ones you mention do work fine. They are basically all the same chemicals that everyone sells for this purpose, and the same as many DIY recipes.

So just because the ones you used work is no reason to think that his many other products will also work.

One issue is that you sound like you added all kinds of things, and while I do not doubt they have worked well for you, you cannot sensibly claim that every one of them is better than other brands. Many of them are the same chemical as other brands and as the DIY recipes. Maybe none are better than the other brands you and other folks use, but you finally used an appropriate amount of each. Or maybe the tank is not otherwise appropriately aged or otherwise ready for coralline (like appropriately low phosphate, etc).

In any case, if you like the results, by all means keep using them and recommending them to others.

And if you recommend only those you reported here, I'll have little problem with them, aside from not believing that they are fundamentally better than other brands.

 

[Marc]

So if you have a problem with it, get a life and move on to something else to put down!!!!

:lol:

But chemistry is my life? And yes, I have moved on to criticize many other bogus or badly described products since this thread started. :lol:

I'm glad you are happy with them and they have worked for you. You support is so strong, however, that one might even wonder if you got a kickback of some sort for such an over-the-top paragraph of support. I know I don't get anything from anyone to point out his product flaws. Do you get anything for supporting it? Don't take this the wrong way, but few of us know you personally, and there are MANY cases of people pushing products on RC, good, bad, or otherwise, that they are somehow linked to, or got something free if they "œjust tell everyone how good they are". Not the case for you, right?

You need not get snippy about our criticism, however. You'll note that none of my criticism was directed at the products you report using, calcium, magnesium, or alkalinity additives, aside from some weird incorrect data in his product description for the magnesium solid product and his products that contain aragonite, which I do not think you commented using. I expect the ones you mention do work fine. They are basically all the same chemicals that everyone sells for this purpose, and the same as many DIY recipes.

So just because the ones you used work is no reason to think that his many other products will also work.

One issue is that you sound like you added all kinds of things, and while I do not doubt they have worked well for you, you cannot sensibly claim that every one of them is better than other brands. Many of them are the same chemical as other brands and as the DIY recipes. Maybe none are better than the other brands you and other folks use, but you finally used an appropriate amount of each. Or maybe the tank is not otherwise appropriately aged or otherwise ready for coralline (like appropriately low phosphate, etc).

In any case, if you like the results, by all means keep using them and recommending them to others.

And if you recommend only those you reported here, I'll have little problem with them, aside from not believing that they are fundamentally better than other brands.

Randy Holems Farley???

No I don't recall ever meeting you and I greatly doubt people know who I am. But as far as bashing Brightwell Aquatics seems to me that many are doing it including you to satisy an EGO. I have talked to Chris Brightwell on the phone a few months ago and he is the only person that actually took the time to call me back and explain how his products work and also gave me some mathematical formulas I should use to deliver proper dosages. I certainly did not get that good customer support from Kent Marine! All I got from Kent was a receptionist with a bad attitude who could care less what questions I had. And as for a Kick back or whatever that means, I did not receive any "Kick Backs" from brightwell aquatics or anything else for that matter. I just feel bad that there are people out there trying to make an honest dollar by starting there own companies and or small business and they deserve a chance to do so and to prove themselves, but are only ridiculed by wannabe chemists and marine biologists!!! Just like a year ago I visited a LFS and two people claimed to be"Marine Biologists". What sort of education or certification do they have to justify or even prove that??? Nothing, if I want to talk to a "Marine Biologist" I'll talk to a real one at a public aquarium that actually has the education and experience to back it up and get the accurate info that I seek. I don't mean to offend anyone here on this board but sometimes someone needs to set the facts straight around here. It goes to far and it makes reputable companies look bad to everyone else.

I hope there are people on this board that can respect new companies and vendors who actually strive to put a good product out, and actuallly produce the results as based on the product itself. If not than it's false advertising and false representation of a product. Also known as "Snake Oils"

Good Bye!!!!!

 

[swanny]

All that snow overnight must have went to Marc's head, I wouldn't respond to this thread anymore Randy.

 

[Marc]

All that snow overnight must have went to Marc's head, I wouldn't respond to this thread anymore Randy.

Wow, suprise suprise, I no longer live in Colorado! I do need to upgrade my profile though! :wavehand: :rollface:

 

[getoyute]

Marc,

It seems as if you misunderstood everyones' posts in this thread. You may need to start over from the very first post and read line for line.

 

[Marc]

No I don't, the only reason I went off is because of Randy Holmes Fartey. He just got on my nerves a little bit, but I'm cool now... I don't care anymore....

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

OK, we can certainly just agree to disagree.

I certainly did not get that good customer support from Kent Marine! All I got from Kent was a receptionist with a bad attitude who could care less what questions I had.

I'm certainly not defending Kent. They have a crap product or two as well. Liquid Reactor, for example. In fact, Chris Brightwell strongly supported that crap product in a debate with me when he worked at Kent. Go figure.

But as far as bashing Brightwell Aquatics seems to me that many are doing it including you to satisy an EGO.

I'm certainly not immune to an ego boost or two, but I'm not sure how pointing out flaws I see in aquarium products relates to my ego. I do not make competing products. Now if you want to get my back up, start criticizing my professional products (Renagel, Renvela and Welchol/Cholestagel, for example), then I would be drawn into an ego driven debate. I doubt you'd want to see that happen.

I hope there are people on this board that can respect new companies and vendors who actually strive to put a good product out, and actually produce the results as based on the product itself. If not than it's false advertising and false representation of a product. Also known as "Snake Oils"

Absolutely. I'm a strong supporter of such companies, like ESV and the high quality products that Bob Stark pioneered (B-ionic two part, for example). Bulk Reef Supply is another. I've never seen either of these companies claim their chemical products are or could do anything that is out of line with established chemical science.

but are only ridiculed by wannabe chemists

That could be true. That comment does not apply to me, however. I am a chemist with a substantial background of proven success. I'd be willing to go toe to toe on credentials with any reef keeping chemist you can name.

And as for a Kick back or whatever that means, I did not receive any "Kick Backs" from brightwell aquatics or anything else for that matter.

That's good to hear. We've had to ban folks who pretended to be other than what they were when supporting products. It is often rather difficult to know who is who and who sells what, etc.

 

[HighlandReefer]

"A scientist seeks the truth, wherever that may lead. A believer already knows the truth, and cannot be swayed no matter how compelling the evidence."

 

[NyReefNoob]

< would like to see some $15 a pound rock and those products didnt do it, alot more goes into coraline growth, sponges and ect, shoot my poor little 24g ap with seahorse and few other little fish with close to no flow, is covered in coraline and sponges and i dont ever do water changes, or should say done 2 in 10 months and i dont add anything but top off water and food, maybe you learned how to maintain a tank and take better care of it and finally got you parm's in order. hence better growth of stuff. and i also find it so funny you bash kent products and guess who use to do their stuff. good ole Mr brightwell, why dont you ask him where he gets the bacteria for his bac 7 ? or how much sugar, vodka or other carbon source is used in the bio fuel or what carbon source is used. $7 bottle of vodka does the same as his $15 bottle of biofuel and last 10 times longer. and ive read through this since the beginning, randy hasnt bashed the company just some of the false claims it has made

 

[scooter86]

In the years that I have been reading this forum, there were no egos that taught me anything. Chemistry and facts have spoken for themselves.

 

[patsfan1130]

Where's Boomer

 

[teesquare]

Now THAT is funny patsfan!!!!!

T

 

[tegee]

"A scientist seeks the truth, wherever that may lead. A believer already knows the truth, and cannot be swayed no matter how compelling the evidence."

Classic Cliff.....Thx

 

[teesquare]

And we all want to "believe" in what ever approach we each use in maintaining our aquariums...even though many of us "believe" we do so based on science!

Now - back to shaking the ice in my glass....

T

 

[billsreef]

So as for everyone here on this board to mock Chris Brightwell and put him down could go ahead and jump into a lake!!!

Been awhile since I've done any fresh water diving, but I'll be happy to jump into a lake. Probably the only way to get all the salt out of my dive gear

BTW, I"m a card (college degree) carrying, Marine Biologist working in a bona fide marine lab I also happen to completely agree with Randy, heck I even ask him chemistry questions

 

[tmz]

Nice quote Cliff.
Randy Farely vs Chris Brightwell and a following of believers on Reef Chemistry. No contest.

 

[redfishsc]

I just feel bad that there are people out there trying to make an honest dollar by starting there own companies and or small business and they deserve a chance to do so and to prove themselves, but are only ridiculed by wannabe chemists and marine biologists!!!

but sometimes someone needs to set the facts straight around here.

Ah. I can help with that. There will be a quiz. :beachbum:

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207351&highlight=resume




And FWIW I've been using Brightwell's MB7 for about a month now. When I began using it, I noticed a definite increase in the growth of some soft corals, esp. some xenia and anthelia that had very slow growth (low nutrients). They began growing again. Not sure why, perhaps whatever is in MB7 provided, through whatever mechanism, a food source or a limiting agent.

And FWIW I've followed Randy's advice on nearly every DIY chemistry aspect of my tank, and never once had it fail on me (except when I overdosed or screwed it up myself).

 

[mcarroll]

Nice quote Cliff.
Randy Farely vs Chris Brightwell and a following of believers on Reef Chemistry. No contest.

I've noticed all the RHF "believers" in the house, might be a little Cult of Personality going on even, but I haven't really run across many Chris Brightwell fans. Perhaps two?

Is this what you meant?

-Matt