Brightwell Aquatics "Two Thumbs up!!!"

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i know this is an older thread, but the information found here is priceless for new reefers. i am a facts kind of person. just because its on a label doesent mean its 100% correct.
thank you randy for a very educational read. i know who to ask if i have a question about my tank. the man with the very impressive resume.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

You're welcome.

Happy Reefing.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Human nature sez that everyone acts out of their own self interest. Randy may not receive money directly from any one company in the hobby (I wouln't have a way to know either way), but I guarantee he doesn't have 60,000 posts here out of the goodness of his heart, so let's not pretend he's more than human. K?

Why do you suppose I do it?

Just to be clear, I have not received any money from any reef related activity for many years, aside from a once every couple of years talk to the Boston reefers, where I have gotten a variety of different compensations ranging from a free club membership to a small amount of money.

 

[swanny]

Mcarrol=ignorant. Give me a break. Thanks for all you do RHF.

 

[reefgeezer]

I have no reason to question Randy's motivations whatever they may be. Let's not mistake respect for credentials and applied knowledge for anything less. IMO, when an RC member invites comment on a product in this Forum, a critical review is expected and appreciated by most.

There are too many places where manufacturers and distributors of products can make claims without critical review. I'm glad this is not one of them. IMO, the fact that Kent and now Brightwell have not reviewed well is more a reflection on the quality of their product and the lack of data to support their claims rather than some hidden motivation on the part of certain RC members.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

:lol:

Just to clarify for your calculating pleasure, I have substantially more than 60,000 posts. Something more than 80,000 at RC alone (the counter maxed out for a while at 65,535), and that assumes you only count posts here and not at other web sites.

 

[swanny]

This guy is trying to :deadhorse: Randy, lol.

 

[mcarroll]

IMO, when an RC member invites comment on a product in this Forum, a critical review is expected and appreciated by most.

I couldn't agree more, but...

Literally speaking, this thread offers very little critical information I would use or recommend.

It started out by the OP offering the info that the BW bacterial product, not the fuel, was the correct product to use in his circumstance and that some people (including himself) had been confused on which product was correct. First reply (not that one was requested) was bashing and the thread did not get better from there. As I've said before, to me and probably to newbs, this is just as useless as shilling. What would have been useful (e.g.) is to get the OP to indicate later on whether the switch in products resolved his issue or not and whether he changed any other husbandry practices at the same time.

Bashing is not insightful criticism and is not helpful for the uneducated reefer. If the purpose here is to educate newbs (and I have to assume that's at least a significant portion of RC's and specifically the Chem Forum's mission) then RC becomes a somewhat less useful resource to those who need it most when threads are dominated by bashing like this one was.

-Matt

 

[seapug]

Thanks for the clarification! I noticed I was half wrong (of course) just after I posted.. I guess that number makes the point even better! hahah

Not to be nosey, but where else do you hang out (assuming it's reef related)? (I've gotta imagine you don't participate to this extent elsewhere...right?)

Thanks again!
-Matt

Time to back off and take a breath, mcarroll. If you'd like Randy's resume and list of pharmaceutical patents he owns to prove he actually is a chemist, do a Google search, but your tone and accusations are crossing the lines of common civility expected on the public forums, so please let this discussion end here. thanks.

 

[billsreef]

:lol:

Just to clarify for your calculating pleasure, I have substantially more than 60,000 posts. Something more than 80,000 at RC alone (the counter maxed out for a while at 65,535), and that assumes you only count posts here and not at other web sites.

See, Randy is in it for personal gain, a crazy high post count

I think he might be trying for the world record number of posts on an aquarium forum and all the fame that it will bring him :lol:

 

[Yogre]

See, Randy is in it for personal gain, a crazy high post count

I think he might be trying for the world record number of posts on an aquarium forum and all the fame that it will bring him :lol:

I heard that Randy was going to start a black-market operation, selling some of his posts to new members who want to see the buy/sell forums.

:lol:

 

[Wolverine]

but I guarantee he doesn't have 60,000 posts here out of the goodness of his heart, so let's not pretend he's more than human. K?

Apparently your guarantees are no good.

This is all in one thread...just making my point (since tmz tried to deny it) that some folks have a little CoP going on with Randy. Maybe it's expected from some people given the scope and scale of Randy's contributions here, but is there a point in denying it?

Is it truly a CoP when people are acknowledging that he's one of the most knowledgeable and helpful members of the board and the reefing community at large? I'm sure you'll believe that it, and that what I'm saying is more evidence of it. However, the proof is in the pudding, and the amount of information we've gained from Randy over the years is astounding.
We've seen some CoP here over the years, from people who've been much less helpful; I can tell you there's a huge difference, and that you're in the wrong here.

 

[Habib]

Please excuse my ignorance, but CoP stands for?

I looked there http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/COP but I'm not sure which it might be.

 

[Habib]

Beyond that, BW has the best on-bottle instructions for dosing these products out of any brand I'm familiar with.

A quick calculation shows me that you spent more than 42 days of your life only reading and studying those dosing instructions.



FWIW, Randy is a highly intelligent person (studying chemistry was an intelligent choice ).

Marine chemistry is a difficult subject, marine/reef aquarium chemistry is even more difficult and there IMO only a few which are good reef aquarium chemists. There are even less who don't have a commercial interest in doing that.

Randy is one of the very few. I wish there were more who would be willing to help so many hobbyists with questions varying from very simple to very complex ones.

:beer:

 

[Wolverine]

CoP = Cult of Personality.

 

[Habib]

Thanks Dave!

 

[Sugar Magnolia]

CoP = Cult of Personality.

But what does that mean?

Okay...I looked it up. Really Matt?

 

[bertoni]

Okay, let's leave the personal attacks out of this forum.

 

[tmz]

It's ridiculous. Someone touts a product l ,"2 thumbs" up based on market hype designed for profit . Criticism is somehow bashing. A dedicated teacher of reef chemstry is accused of venal motivations without an scintilla of evidence or a hint of rationality by a self appointed judge of human nature playing a clinician.

Others who are smart enough to sort the wheat from the chaff with a little help from time to time and share appreciation for genuine information are viewed as weak minded cultists. Nonsense. There is no cult of personality . There is a common thread though: learning and enjoying the hobby and exchanging of information.Disciplined argument without acrimony is part of that. Obfuscatory junk science used to dress up marketting schemes runs counter to learning and success in the hobby. That's all there is to it for me.
. Personally, I've learned a good deal of reef chemistry and it would have been much harder to do so without help from Randy and others on this forum.. I don't know him personally but he has earned my respect for his disciplined willingness to share and explain useful information and not to post or agree with nonsense.

 

[rtparty]

It's ridiculous. Someone touts a product l ,"2 thumbs" up based on market hype designed for profit . Criticism is somehow bashing. A dedicated teacher of reef chemstry is accused of venal motivations without an scintilla of evidence or a hint of rationality by a self appointed judge of human nature playing a clinician.

Others who are smart enough to sort the wheat from the chaff with a little help from time to time and share appreciation for genuine information are viewed as weak minded cultists. Nonsense. There is no cult of personality . There is a common thread though: learning and enjoying the hobby and exchanging of information.Disciplined argument without acrimony is part of that. Obfuscatory junk science used to dress up marketting schemes runs counter to learning and success in the hobby. That's all there is to it for me.
. Personally, I've learned a good deal of reef chemistry and it would have been much harder to do so without help from Randy and others on this forum.. I don't know him personally but he has earned my respect for his disciplined willingness to share and explain useful information and not to post or agree with nonsense.

What the hell does hype mean?

PS - family guy reference.