Billybeau1
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Wow, first post in seven years. You must have done a lot of reading. 
Brightwell Aquatics "Two Thumbs up!!!"
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eyebedam
Is Sailing the Seas
I dont know much about Brightwells products, I was wanting to try the salt but have yet to do so. I will say this though, I sent them a email asking a couple questions about there salt mix & Chris Brightwell himself responded to my email. To me that was kinda impressive. When I had a couple bad batches of IO & sent a email to them I never got so much as a reply.
Buganddoug
X NJRC Vice President
I have used in the past was Hawaiian Marine salt and I loved it!~ I just wish I new who sells it now?
Billybeau1
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eyebedam
Is Sailing the Seas
That does not impress me. I would not base my decisions on that logic alone.
How's is a direct reply from the owner of the company not impress you at all? I'm just curious. There are some many times when people when people either have a problem or question in general about a product & they never get a answer from anyone at all. To me it atleast show Brightwell cares about there customer service.
What would a company have to do to impress you enough to try there products? Like I said I haven't tried it & idk if I will. I had a friend buy me a bucket of another brand of salt he was using for my Bday & I'm happy with the results so far so I'm prob gonna stick with it for now.
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Jason.
IMO, it would depend on what the owner said and whether it was accurate.
HighlandReefer
Team RC
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Malum Argenteum
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Maybe, but too bad Brightwell does not seem to care about his fish. That is the saddest, skinniest looking Huma trigger I have seen in a while.
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bmwaaron
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Glad I found this thread, allot of good info in here Randy.
Randy, can you explain Vinegar dosing here and its uses? Or point me to a thread that does. I used to dose Zeovit and stopped about 5 months ago. Everything is OK but I did have a slight algae outbreak and have been fighting bad Cyano ever since. I am running GFO but doesn't seem to be helping.
Randy, can you explain Vinegar dosing here and its uses? Or point me to a thread that does. I used to dose Zeovit and stopped about 5 months ago. Everything is OK but I did have a slight algae outbreak and have been fighting bad Cyano ever since. I am running GFO but doesn't seem to be helping.
Vinegar is one of several organic carbon sources that folks use to drive bacterial growth in the tank, and like with zeovit, that growth will help reduce nutrients. Vodka is another common item used.
Randy,
Can you explain the purpose of Amino Acids in aquaria or direct me to an article/thread of such discussion? I was thinking about supplementing my tank with it due to product claims and other hobbyist claims of promoted growth, colors, and polyp extension with their SPS and LPS. However, I want to do my research first.
Can you explain the purpose of Amino Acids in aquaria or direct me to an article/thread of such discussion? I was thinking about supplementing my tank with it due to product claims and other hobbyist claims of promoted growth, colors, and polyp extension with their SPS and LPS. However, I want to do my research first.
I've not seen a detailed article on it, but the idea is that with some systems, especially ULNS systems, the corals may benefit for additional nutrition since their zoox are at near starvation levels.
I do not know if it is useful, but it may be and many folks think they are useful in their systems. I've recommended some in the past, and in that "older" context, I discuss them briefly here:
The “How To” Guide to Reef Aquarium Chemistry for Beginners, Part 2: What Chemicals Must be Supplemented
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2007-04/rhf/index.php
from it:
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2007-04/rhf/index.php#15
Supplementing Amino Acids
The deposition of calcium carbonate into intricately structured skeletons is one of the wonders of corals that aquarists marvel at. At the molecular level, corals often guide the precipitation of calcium carbonate with organic materials, encouraging precipitation on some parts of the skeleton or inhibiting it elsewhere. Often these organic materials are proteins that contain negatively charged amino acids, such as aspartic acid. These negatively charged amino acids may interact strongly with positively charged calcium as it is deposited, allowing the proteins to guide the precipitation.
It turns out that some corals cannot make enough aspartic acid to meet their demand, and must get it from foods or from the water. Depending on the species of coral involved and the foods provided to the aquarium, the supplied foods may not be an appropriate source of aspartic acid for corals, and supplemental aspartic acid has the potential to be useful. It might be taken up directly or be taken up by other organisms that are, in turn, consumed by the coral (e.g., bacteria).
I do not presently add any amino acids to my aquarium, but some aquarists do. Those who do sometimes report improvements in the appearance of their corals. I do not know if this is a true cause and effect, or a coincidence, but aquarists might consider dosing certain amino acids. A number of commercial amino acid supplements are available to hobbyists, and some might also be obtained in suitable form from a health food store (beware of phosphate as one of the other ingredients in human supplements).
I don’t have a recommended dose. If you choose to experiment, start with a low dose, say, 1/8 teaspoon (0.5 gram) of solid amino acid or the equivalent amount of a solution, to a 100-gallon aquarium once a week. Then, slowly ramp up the dose, looking for positive or negative effects.
Note, however, that not all amino acids are beneficial. Many may just drive bacterial growth, and all contain nitrogen, so they may contribute to the nitrogenous waste that ends up as nitrate in many aquaria.
Additional discussion of the effects of amino acids and other organics on calcification by corals appears in this article:
The Chemical & Biochemical Mechanisms of Calcification in Corals
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/apr2002/chem.htm
I do not know if it is useful, but it may be and many folks think they are useful in their systems. I've recommended some in the past, and in that "older" context, I discuss them briefly here:
The “How To” Guide to Reef Aquarium Chemistry for Beginners, Part 2: What Chemicals Must be Supplemented
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2007-04/rhf/index.php
from it:
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2007-04/rhf/index.php#15
Supplementing Amino Acids
The deposition of calcium carbonate into intricately structured skeletons is one of the wonders of corals that aquarists marvel at. At the molecular level, corals often guide the precipitation of calcium carbonate with organic materials, encouraging precipitation on some parts of the skeleton or inhibiting it elsewhere. Often these organic materials are proteins that contain negatively charged amino acids, such as aspartic acid. These negatively charged amino acids may interact strongly with positively charged calcium as it is deposited, allowing the proteins to guide the precipitation.
It turns out that some corals cannot make enough aspartic acid to meet their demand, and must get it from foods or from the water. Depending on the species of coral involved and the foods provided to the aquarium, the supplied foods may not be an appropriate source of aspartic acid for corals, and supplemental aspartic acid has the potential to be useful. It might be taken up directly or be taken up by other organisms that are, in turn, consumed by the coral (e.g., bacteria).
I do not presently add any amino acids to my aquarium, but some aquarists do. Those who do sometimes report improvements in the appearance of their corals. I do not know if this is a true cause and effect, or a coincidence, but aquarists might consider dosing certain amino acids. A number of commercial amino acid supplements are available to hobbyists, and some might also be obtained in suitable form from a health food store (beware of phosphate as one of the other ingredients in human supplements).
I don’t have a recommended dose. If you choose to experiment, start with a low dose, say, 1/8 teaspoon (0.5 gram) of solid amino acid or the equivalent amount of a solution, to a 100-gallon aquarium once a week. Then, slowly ramp up the dose, looking for positive or negative effects.
Note, however, that not all amino acids are beneficial. Many may just drive bacterial growth, and all contain nitrogen, so they may contribute to the nitrogenous waste that ends up as nitrate in many aquaria.
Additional discussion of the effects of amino acids and other organics on calcification by corals appears in this article:
The Chemical & Biochemical Mechanisms of Calcification in Corals
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/apr2002/chem.htm
No I don't. Most of the time you don't know how much of what is in them, unfortunately.
Hey, I agree with the above statement...you just don't know. I saw that you order your ALK and CA supplements from Bulk Reef Supply and right now they have a great sale with their two-part additives. However, I've been using the ESV B-Ionic two part along with ESV B-Ionic magnesium well over 4 years now with great stable results on my system. From looking at the lables it seems as if ESV add additional parts to their mix but for the same price I am able to get 2-3 more gallons from Bulk Reef Supply. Don't know if you have ever looked into ESV mixes (pretty sure you have) but would you consider both products similar because I would love to myself $100.00 and order from Bulk Reef Supply.
after talking to chris on phone i will never buy brightwell again he put down all other products there are many many good products out there and many bad i just thought it was in poor taste and actually i didnt think he knew what he was talking about through half the conversation
I saw that you order your ALK and CA supplements from Bulk Reef Supply and right now they have a great sale with their two-part additives.
Me? I don't use a two part, but only limewater. I did most recently order the calcium hydroxide from them, however.
I am not sure that ESV B-ionic adds anything that is not in the DIY, but they certainly may. Bear in mind that many of these things are impurities in the main ingredients, not stand alone ingredients per se.
B-ionic is certainly a fine product. It was the original two part and I have used it in the distant past. If I were to use a commercial two part, it would be near or at the top of the list.
I designed the DIY two part that Bulk reef sells to be as close to a commercial two part as one can get without having certain ingredients available to make a two part without the magnesium being a separate third part. Sodium sulfate, for example, in the alk part might allow us to put the magnesium into the calcium part and then have only two parts. But it is not readily available to DIY users.
Me? I don't use a two part, but only limewater. I did most recently order the calcium hydroxide from them, however.
I am not sure that ESV B-ionic adds anything that is not in the DIY, but they certainly may. Bear in mind that many of these things are impurities in the main ingredients, not stand alone ingredients per se.
B-ionic is certainly a fine product. It was the original two part and I have used it in the distant past. If I were to use a commercial two part, it would be near or at the top of the list.
I designed the DIY two part that Bulk reef sells to be as close to a commercial two part as one can get without having certain ingredients available to make a two part without the magnesium being a separate third part. Sodium sulfate, for example, in the alk part might allow us to put the magnesium into the calcium part and then have only two parts. But it is not readily available to DIY users.
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