Bubble blaster vs Askoll pumps?
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plancton
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I had received a PM from a guy who tried both the Askoll and the BB and he felt the BB performed better and had a little bit more power to it, I believed him because I had an octopus skimmer once and it was far superior than anything I had tried 4 years ago. And like I said, many friends who have used octopus felt it was good quality.
I agree Resun are the worst, but those products are mostly for freshwater. Octopus is mostly for saltwater and they´ve always had a good reputation, even if they´re Chinese.
But it is true "seeing is believing". I have enough arguments to try it, and the BB HY 5000 its on its way. I think I´ll have the skimmer ready in a month, the quality of the body will be basically the same, the measurements too.
I´ll post pics and a video when I have it ready.
I agree Resun are the worst, but those products are mostly for freshwater. Octopus is mostly for saltwater and they´ve always had a good reputation, even if they´re Chinese.
But it is true "seeing is believing". I have enough arguments to try it, and the BB HY 5000 its on its way. I think I´ll have the skimmer ready in a month, the quality of the body will be basically the same, the measurements too.
I´ll post pics and a video when I have it ready.
i have the swc 250A. this has the askoll pump and i can tell you there is not another pump (including the bubble blaster) that i have personally seen that is quieter. i litterally can not hear my skimmer running from 8 inches away!!!!! and this skimmer is a beast. at 10" around and 2 feet tall. and the bubble production on this thing is absolutly amazing.
you are only talking about 75.00 difference on pumps. i dont understand why you would not just buy the askoll because you know that it has a great rep. and you will not experiance any problems with it. the bubble blaster might be a good pump but from what i have read they are over rated and no one really knows how reliable they are going to be cause they are new. so i guess the question is do you want to chance it or spend a little extra and not have to worry about a thing.
just my opinion but there are so many other things to worry about in this hobby to me great reliable equipment is not something you can put a price tag on. and i am not going to take a chance with my reef testing out new pumps. i stick with what has been proven and is reliable. and all the air and water #'s have been proven to be what they are stated at. have not seen that from the bubble blasters yet.
but if you do get the pump please get us all some numbers of what it really pulls cause i know everyone hear would love to know. good luck in your desicion.
-adam
you are only talking about 75.00 difference on pumps. i dont understand why you would not just buy the askoll because you know that it has a great rep. and you will not experiance any problems with it. the bubble blaster might be a good pump but from what i have read they are over rated and no one really knows how reliable they are going to be cause they are new. so i guess the question is do you want to chance it or spend a little extra and not have to worry about a thing.
just my opinion but there are so many other things to worry about in this hobby to me great reliable equipment is not something you can put a price tag on. and i am not going to take a chance with my reef testing out new pumps. i stick with what has been proven and is reliable. and all the air and water #'s have been proven to be what they are stated at. have not seen that from the bubble blasters yet.
but if you do get the pump please get us all some numbers of what it really pulls cause i know everyone hear would love to know. good luck in your desicion.
-adam
A PM from who comparing to what ("the" Askoll)? There are a lot of different Askoll based pumps. Octopus has used a lot of different pumps, from many different mfgrs, some of them being quite poor including their first attempt at an Askoll skimmer pump. The BB 5000 is new and is no reflection on any previous pump used by Coralvue/Octopus which for the most part is a good thing.
What I would like to see from someone who has no commercial interest in the pumps is actual air draw, watts/amps/pf from a pump attached to an appropriate size skimmer body. Noise is harder since it is subjective and long term reliability is harder yet since that will take some time.
Not saying the BB is a bad pump. The specs look great. It is a new product and I am also the "show me" type of person. It will need to be proven by real users of the product.
Reefobsession
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I had received a PM from a guy who tried both the Askoll and the BB and he felt the BB performed better and had a little bit more power to it, I believed him because I had an octopus skimmer once and it was far superior than anything I had tried 4 years ago. And like I said, many friends who have used octopus felt it was good quality. QUOTE]
I really think you need to research skimmers more. By simply saying that you had an octo that didn't even have a bb pump, and it was far superior than any other skimmer out there, then you are trying some skimmers that are not even comparable to the alpha's. The older octos are decent skimmer's for the price, but performance is like a minivan compared to a lambo. I really think that you had your mind made up anyway. Go for it, I just hope I don't see you on here saying that your pump is not that great. I hope you made the right decision. If I were you I would have got the askoll. Oh well good luck.
Remember the pump makes the skimmer.
that is nice
how about this askoll based model, BK SM 250,4 days skim on 450 gallon sytem 8 Lrg tangs
how about this askoll based model, BK SM 250,4 days skim on 450 gallon sytem 8 Lrg tangs
plancton
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The octopus I had of course was long time ago, but back then it was a great skimmer compared to the skimmers of that time.
Bluereefs is showing good results on those pics, the BB5000 is getting dark skimmate in a short period of time from an almost empty tank.
Paulairduck: Yes, your skimmate is very nice, but you got 8 tangs, so in comparison I would say both pumps are performing the same. Look at your second pic and compare it to bluereefs´s last second pic and you can see same size of bubble etc, what´s the difference?
Bluereefs is showing good results on those pics, the BB5000 is getting dark skimmate in a short period of time from an almost empty tank.
Paulairduck: Yes, your skimmate is very nice, but you got 8 tangs, so in comparison I would say both pumps are performing the same. Look at your second pic and compare it to bluereefs´s last second pic and you can see same size of bubble etc, what´s the difference?
2dawghouse
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You cant compare the 2 skimmers performances through those sets of pics. Two totally different skimmers of two opposite ends of the spectrum systems. Hell, that isnt even comparing apples to oranges.
plancton
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Yeah but bubble production seems similar, bubbles are fine and very foamy, If I do the same with my sedra with needlewheel you will look at bigger bubbles and more watery foam overflowing, that´s a start.
The rest, I´m putting my hopes on it, I´ll take pictures, video, etc. That´s the only way we´ll see. The first thing I´ll be looking after is to get more skimmate production than what I already have with my ASM G3. Next I will compare video of both the original 250 and the replica with bb.
Finally measure weekly performance vs my friend´s original. And the rest is to see how long the pump lasts without trouble and compare the economical benefit.
Stay tuned in a month...
The rest, I´m putting my hopes on it, I´ll take pictures, video, etc. That´s the only way we´ll see. The first thing I´ll be looking after is to get more skimmate production than what I already have with my ASM G3. Next I will compare video of both the original 250 and the replica with bb.
Finally measure weekly performance vs my friend´s original. And the rest is to see how long the pump lasts without trouble and compare the economical benefit.
Stay tuned in a month...
Garage1217
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Have you ever owned a sicce? I am sure you have to claim that, well I hope anyways *LOL* Cannot wait to replace my psk2500. Hated this pump since week 2 of ownership. And my friends that also own them are looking to replace them.
I am also looking at the new BB 3000 for my setup. Hydors customer service is outstanding and a 3 year warranty has my immediate attention. I have seen great numbers on this pump & yes it has been tested in other threads. I was quite impressed from the photos & reviews. I should have it just after Christmas to replace my psk2500 on my msx200.
You guys with these made in china rants crack me up. I travel overseas all the time and they say the same stuff about "oh, that is crap.. it is made in the US" and I know we produce some quality stuff. China is a pretty large place, quality varies from company to company. I see a lot of junk come from China, and I see a lot of quality come from China. Same as with any country.
And all the red dragon fanboys, I have seen negative reviews on them along with a ton of positive. Is there not a huge recall on one of the DC models currently as it has massive quality issues? QC issues can come from any company. Crap happens.
In short, crap can come from anyplace, just because something is new or made in china does not mean it is junk or should be overlooked. I think Hydor is filling one heck of a nitch that needs to be filled with this product line. Kudos to them.
And last, come on guys... trying to compare nog vs nog has to be the dumbest way to rate a skimmer or pump I have ever seen as the variables are infinite. That is like comparing the overall performance of two sports cars by the amount of rubber left on the road from a burn out. Does not make any sense.
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Garage1217
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Very cool man! How do you like it overall compared to your sicce? As I stated.. I am not a psk2500 fan by any means. The 3000 looked to be a perfect match for the 200 body.
ackerman
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Heres a vid of my SRO 5000 external with the BB5000 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxZe7BCqO-I video was shot about 14 hours after installation so it was breaking in yet.
plancton
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That thing is reaching 100 scfh, who ever said I would need to narrow down the neck of a Vertex alpha cone 250 in order to make it work with the BB 5000 doesn't know what he's talking about.
According to that video, the manufacturers claim are not even an exageration, again:
Alpha 250
* Footprint 18.5" x 13"
* Height 24.5"
* Base Diameter 10.5" - Neck Diameter 5.75"
* 1500 or 1800 lph (63scfh) @ 38W
* Rated up to 400 gal
Super Reef Octopus 5000
# Footprint: 18.5" x 15"
# Height: 27"
# Body: 10"
# Neck: 6"
# Pump: Bubble Blaster HY-5000 (50w/PF 70+) 90+SCFH
According to that video, the manufacturers claim are not even an exageration, again:
Alpha 250
* Footprint 18.5" x 13"
* Height 24.5"
* Base Diameter 10.5" - Neck Diameter 5.75"
* 1500 or 1800 lph (63scfh) @ 38W
* Rated up to 400 gal
Super Reef Octopus 5000
# Footprint: 18.5" x 15"
# Height: 27"
# Body: 10"
# Neck: 6"
# Pump: Bubble Blaster HY-5000 (50w/PF 70+) 90+SCFH
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