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Well, you could hear something from Honda's 'customer service' department, which would have english speakers. Does Klaus have a 'customer service' rep who speaks English? I think he is trying to do it himself because he doesnt. Thats what makes for this unique situation. Hey, at least he tries, and at least he is keeping the costs down as much as he can by not having to hire another person.
 
Just to clear a few things before this gets dragged any further.
Proline Aquatics is the North American dealer for all Royal-Exclusiv products ,it is our job to ensure that we can provide our dealers with parts & services not Klaus.
As for this case I believe Jeremy has done everything in his power to make the customer happy ,not only that he has gone out of his way to test the product to make sure this is not going to be a common problem.
In order to make the after sales services more accessible & speedy for the consumer ,we provide support directly to our dealers & they will take care of any warranty issues right on the spot.This will eliminate the need to contact Europe for parts or services ,therefore reduce the costs & speed up the process.
If for any reason the dealer you purchased our products from was not able to provide you with proper service or part (store closure,...)please do not hesitate to contact us directly to seek assistance.
you can contact us @
Toll free: 1-877-682-3474 or
E-mail: support@prolineaquatics.com
Best Regards
Jason Behzad
Proline Aquatics Wholesale
 
There is one thing you guys are forgetting here. Klaus set up this situation by posting of the forums promoting his skimmers and answering product questions. Therefore he also needs to be available to troubleshoot if it comes up.

Now I am not disagreeing with your logic about the dealers job, but if this is the case then Klaus needs to stay off every forum(including his own), totally, and leave all this stuff to the dealers.

Christopher
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10848852#post10848852 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ceyles
There is one thing you guys are forgetting here. Klaus set up this situation by posting of the forums promoting his skimmers and answering product questions. Therefore he also needs to be available to troubleshoot if it comes up.

Now I am not disagreeing with your logic about the dealers job, but if this is the case then Klaus needs to stay off every forum(including his own), totally, and leave all this stuff to the dealers.

Christopher

Sorry man, but that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

First of all, the customer set up this situation by publicly flamming the vendor. This whole thing could have gone down via PM or email w/out incident. (I'm not saying what he did was right or wrong, just not anywhere near how I would have handled it)


Second, he/the manufacturer can post whatever he/she wants as long as its within the rules. Moreover, that does not obligate that person to come back to this forum and trouble shoot, or do anything else for that matter that they don't want to do. I'm not sure what type of logic you are using in this case, but if thats how you think things should go down, I'm sure most manufacturers wouldn't even come around anymore. Remember, they don't have to post ANYTHING here. It is to our advantage that we are lucky enough to get that type of participation from them on our public forum. We lost the Euro-Reef sponsorship and participation on our boards for over a year as a direct result of that type of thinking.

It just blows my mind what some people expect.
 
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Ceyles:

So, because Honda Motor Co. advertises in the newspaper, the President of Honda is obligated to speak to you directly when your car breaks down?

Ok, so I should have used Ford and not Honda. But you get the point.

Jim is right, Ceyles. Your logic is flawed.
 
Its not flawed. Klaus is known for making his own posts... in a sense, he is his own Customer Service department and marketing department. So he cant say 'please direct that question elsewhere' for an immediate response. If he intended to never get involved with his products directly on forums, then he shouldnt post. Or, he should have a translator/CS department on hand for when he needs to respond to questions like DR's. He should have his marketing and CS department guys do it for him if he wants to be left alone when needed.

Yes, PA and proline are the vendors, and they should be able to answer most questions... but its a different industry than automotive. A dealer for a car acts as an agent for that brand. Lets say its more like the electronic industry... where you buy a TV from Best Buy. Do you take up warranty issues with Best Buy? No... you look in the manual and find the CS number for which ever company you bought it from. Most industries are like this... not like auto-dealers.

The problem is that DR didnt get a manual, so he doesnt know if the warranty goes through PA, Proline, or RE... or all 3. The other unique situation here is the pickle that Klaus puts himself in when he posts on English speaking forums... he cant interact well. This is why Klaus doesnt respond to every PM, email, etc... he cant. Its also why he refrains from posting/sending responses. I am an exception, because I can just read what he writes in German, but since I dont have a German keyboard, I still have problems because I cant type everything as well.

If you want to interact 1 on 1 with Klaus, quit being a uni-language american, and get like the rest of the world. If you post in the German forums, he's on it like white on rice.

So the logic is not flawed... PA and RE are giving out mixed signals (or no signal). The solutions are for Klaus to leave all commercial posts to PA/Proline alone, or to have an English/German speaking CS rep at RE. As for warranty concerns, simply stating something in the manual about who is responsible for warranty problems would have prevented DR from having to go after 2-3 sources, and in the end, complaining about them all. There is no point badmouthing Klaus if PA is the one supposed to handle the problems. Such responsibilities would be covered in a mfg/distributor contract, and conveyed through a manual.
 
I completely disagree.

Anyone can post anything they want on these forums, (as long as its within the rules) and not be obligated to post anything else that they don't feel they should, or can for this matter.

You should know that if you buy your new Sony from circut city and something goes wrong, the CEO of sony isn't going to fix it for you. You're gonna have to go through circut city. No matter what one of the owners may or may not have said in a public forum.
 
No, warranties on a Sony product arent handled by Circuit City or Best Buy, etc... they are handled by Sony's customer service department. When my camera malfunctions, I send it to Nikon USA, not PcMall where I bought it from. Several online vendors, esp for computer parts/tech state in their selling policies that they do not handle warranty problems. So when I bought a motherboard that ended up with a bad capacitor, I had to send it to Asus, not back to newegg. Since Klaus seems to fill this role himself time to time... he puts himself in that spot.
 
Well, I have a sony TV, that I bought from Good Guys. I've had it serviced once since I bought it, and I never once spoke with sony. The guy came out didn't have any sony badges on his unifor either.

But yes, they do handle the warranty issues, just like Klaus and RE does... but not with the customer. RE deals with the vendor. As most manufacturers do.

Any info we get from them on this site should be considered "bonus".
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10849162#post10849162 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hahnmeister
No, warranties on a Sony product arent handled by Circuit City or Best Buy, etc... they are handled by Sony's customer service department. When my camera malfunctions, I send it to Nikon USA, not PcMall where I bought it from. Several online vendors, esp for computer parts/tech state in their selling policies that they do not handle warranty problems. So when I bought a motherboard that ended up with a bad capacitor, I had to send it to Asus, not back to newegg. Since Klaus seems to fill this role himself time to time... he puts himself in that spot.

This isn't completely accurate. . .there's almost always a "grace" period when you buy a product within which you deal with the retailer. After that, future warranty issues are handled by the manufacturer's customer service dept. This is true of appliances, electronics, and even cars.

:D
 
It's a case by case scenario and there are no general guideline as to who takes care of these situation, dealer/distributor or manufacturer. But as a vendor of a high-end expensive product it is very common for them to take care of all customer service. If you buy a server/firewalls/network routers from a vendor, you'll never deal with the manufacturer directly even if it is broken or malfunctioning. The vendor always takes care of it and make sure the customer has a pleasant experience.

I think for this case Jeremy was answering and trying to help out as much as possible, but DR was expecting the source to help out as well. RE didn't respond which is very understandable since Jeremy was able to answer all of the questions and there is no use to having this problem getting split into both RE's and PA's plate.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10849067#post10849067 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hahnmeister


If you want to interact 1 on 1 with Klaus, quit being a uni-language american, and get like the rest of the world. If you post in the German forums, he's on it like white on rice.

What the hell? Do you realize the majority of the members on this forum are, in fact, American? You might want to think twice before insulting American's like that.:rolleyes:
 
Well
I believe this has gone far enough ,jimdogg187 has good points ,however other arguments are valid as well ,what it comes down to is that ,we have these policies in effect to make sure that our customers know where & how to get support.
As for Klaus making posts here or our other dealers forum ,I will ask him to stay away from doing that from this point on ,I do apologize in advance for any confusion this may have caused.
Please redirect all your questions in regards to all Royal-Exclusive products to your Dealers or Proline Aquatics since this seems to be what you prefer.
Regards
Jason Behzad
Proline Aquatics Wholesale
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10849692#post10849692 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Conceyted
What the hell? Do you realize the majority of the members on this forum are, in fact, American? You might want to think twice before insulting American's like that.:rolleyes:

Its not insulting... I am American as well. Its just a fact, and if you attach some sort of emotion/insult to that fact, the only insult is the one you percieve. Interesting... you consider someone telling you that you most likely know only one language to be an insult, or the fact that most of the rest of the world is multilingual? For some reason, we expect everyone around the world to speak English so we dont have to learn anything else. How unfair is that?

As for Klaus posting here, Im all for it. I think he should just post in 100% German as well and make all of us need to learn German just like he is trying to learn English...lol. Okay, seriously though... Klaus should be able to post as much as he likes, but perhaps he should add at the end of his posts, perhaps in his sig... "if you have questions/concerns w/ RE products, please direct them to Proline and Premium Aquatics"... simple as that.
 
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Man, that stinks now that Proline is going to tell Klaus not to post anymore, its cool and a privilege to always have the president of a company, etc post, show pictures, etc. :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2:
Klaus please continue to post and keep everyone updated on what you are making.

Guys, lets not fight and get back to the main topic........so Jeremy how are things going with the skimmer now? Still no problems?

Mike
 
I too think it is great that a president of a company would spend the time to help his customers. Klaus keep posting!!!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10849872#post10849872 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Proline

As for Klaus making posts here or our other dealers forum ,I will ask him to stay away from doing that from this point on ,I do apologize in advance for any confusion this may have caused.

Regards
Jason Behzad
Proline Aquatics Wholesale

Jason, why don't you go ahead and trim some of the fat off of the United State Constitution too? That is absurd; I feel it is up to Klaus if he wants to post on reefcentral.com. I like to know what Royal-Exclusiv has in development and look forward to seeing pictures of their products. Just because some people do not understand that it is a privilege to have Klaus on reefcentral.com, should not have to affect all of us. All that is going to do is have people linking Klaus post on other forums back to reefcentral.com. There are quite a few different companies that post on reefcentral.com, so go ahead and make sure to tell all of these guys too not to post on reefcentral.com..

http://www.prolineaquatics.com/productlines.php
 
Well there goes another great resource (a company owner). If much more of this happens might as well not even see a vendor or owner on here ever again.

Ok Guys lets get back on topic

Lunchbucket
 
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