Butterflytown - 240 FOWLR

Completed a four day treatment of the A.P.I. Erythromiacin on the Arabian. There might be a mild improvement. Fish is still eating well. Hopefully it clears up in the next few days.

I'm working on devising a strategy for keeping this fish in my display tank. Right now, I think I'm going to teach it to eat in a fish trap, so that I can isolate it from the other fish during feeding time.

Need to order the fish trap.

Seems like the small semilarvatus in the Arabian tank is not eating as well as before, hoping a series of water changes fixes that problem.
 
caribfan said:
Completed a four day treatment of the A.P.I. Erythromiacin on the Arabian. There might be a mild improvement. Fish is still eating well. Hopefully it clears up in the next few days.

I'm working on devising a strategy for keeping this fish in my display tank. Right now, I think I'm going to teach it to eat in a fish trap, so that I can isolate it from the other fish during feeding time.

Need to order the fish trap.

Seems like the small semilarvatus in the Arabian tank is not eating as well as before, hoping a series of water changes fixes that problem.
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Sounds great but I wouldn't break my back...
get it eating from the clam shells and feed the rest of the tank reg frozen broken up in water...clam on one side of tank...frozen on the other...any chance that would work?
 
humaguy said:
Sounds great but I wouldn't break my back...
get it eating from the clam shells and feed the rest of the tank reg frozen broken up in water...clam on one side of tank...frozen on the other...any chance that would work?
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I think it would probably work, but the Arabian can spend up to 4 or 5 minutes working on a clam shell. The other fish will mow down what I typically feed them and then start working on the prepared shells, so ideally id have a way to provide some separation for a period of time.

Really, I guess ideally it would just eat like the rest of the fish, and that may happen over time.

I need a trap regardless because I want to remove my semilarvatus, so I think I'm going to at least try this strategy out.
 
The most likely reason you are not seeing major improvement is because erythromycin only covers gram positive bacteria. Most bacteria that affect fish are gram negative. You are better off with kanaplex, levofloxacin, etc. You can consult antibiotic charts used by healthcare professionals to see which antibiotics cover which organism. Given that you see redness, I would think that it is septicemia (blood stream infection).




caribfan said:
Completed a four day treatment of the A.P.I. Erythromiacin on the Arabian. There might be a mild improvement. Fish is still eating well. Hopefully it clears up in the next few days.

I'm working on devising a strategy for keeping this fish in my display tank. Right now, I think I'm going to teach it to eat in a fish trap, so that I can isolate it from the other fish during feeding time.

Need to order the fish trap.

Seems like the small semilarvatus in the Arabian tank is not eating as well as before, hoping a series of water changes fixes that problem.
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NarakuAulonocar said:
The most likely reason you are not seeing major improvement is because erythromycin only covers gram positive bacteria. Most bacteria that affect fish are gram negative. You are better off with kanaplex, levofloxacin, etc. You can consult antibiotic charts used by healthcare professionals to see which antibiotics cover which organism. Given that you see redness, I would think that it is septicemia (blood stream infection).
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Septicemia, at least in humans I think, is a pretty serious thing. This fish has been this way for the better part of two weeks with no noticeable ill effects.

I may wait a few more days and try a different antibiotic. My extent of antibiotic treatment on butterflies is limited to maracyn 2 and erythromyacin. Anyone have a product recommendation and a place to purchase it?
 
Kanaplex (Kanamycin) is commonly sold on ebay and amazon.


caribfan said:
Septicemia, at least in humans I think, is a pretty serious thing. This fish has been this way for the better part of two weeks with no noticeable ill effects.

I may wait a few more days and try a different antibiotic. My extent of antibiotic treatment on butterflies is limited to maracyn 2 and erythromyacin. Anyone have a product recommendation and a place to purchase it?
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Bad news today, lost the other borbonius (the one with the swim bladder issue). I expected it, I hadn't seen him in close to a week, still disappointing. I think I can confidently say that Borbonius anthias do not belong in my tank.

The Arabian continues to eat very well, although the infection is still there. I might put up a feeding video later today.
 
I may have to swing down to see your tank if I go to the C-bus swap................that's if you want to show off those beauties:D
 
The Arabian is looking good! Darn, watching that you really just want him to swallow some of those larger pieces!! Fish nerd edge of your seat video viewing at its finest! :lol:
 
SDguy said:
The Arabian is looking good! Darn, watching that you really just want him to swallow some of those larger pieces!! Fish nerd edge of your seat video viewing at its finest! :lol:
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You can see that right at the end he ingests a pretty big chunk of food. I'm definitely seeing progress, there is still some spitting out, but it usually comes out as a dust as opposed to the entire piece of food.

I'm still feeding about 4 -5 clams a day, but have stopped grating the food and am just pushing it into the shell when it's still frozen.

I do think a big key to getting this guy to eat is having the food in the shell as a thin film as opposed to a big hunk of food. I try to spread it out so that it's across the whole surface of the shell.

These fish are such a challenge, when you look at the size of their mouth, you'd think they'd be able to destroy food, but their jaws just aren't designed for it.

I have a feeling the design is much more of a paddle type of mechanism compared to a pincher type of mechanism on most of the other butterflies.
 
Winwood said:
This is absolutely my favorite butterfly! I didn't want to jinx you so I haven't commented up till this point. Just wanted to say I'm rooting for you. This is very inspiring.
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Thanks, it's quickly becoming one of mine too. It ate out of my hand tonight, which is another step in thought direction.

I wish I could just get that redness on the pelvic fun to go away...
 
Another update, eating out of my hand a bit now and actually went after a free floating piece of food too. Appears to be keeping the weight on. 44 days in captivity with me. Still has the bacterial thing going, plan to treat for that again next week.

 
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