Caribbean Biotope Seagrass Tank

Hate to pee on your parade .OP...but your tank is not a success...It would take a TON of light and other conditions that we just cant achieve in a home aquarium to replicate a true seagrass biotope....
But I commend you for trying....

Lol, this is true for almost every attempt to emulate marine habitats, short of more isolated tidepools. People have had plenty of success with organisms in various biotopes in spite of that fact, however. That includes seagrasses, which have been successfully horticultured for years now :). So what point were you actually trying to make?
 
OK, hottuna, this sounds like a baseless, inflammatory post. Fun! How do you know my tank is not a success? Also what does OP mean? Old person?

Since my tank is only a few months old, I'd say it's way too early to declare success or failure. At the rate I'm going, it will take about two years to stock all the organisms I have planned. As for lighting, there are very 'successful' seagrass tanks with fluorescent lighting. Have you seen any of these? They're awesome.

So, what are you basing this conclusion on? Research? Experience? I'm open to new information. I've researched this project for many months, learning the needs of the individual grasses I keep, including nutrients, light requirements, water movement, etc. You?

Anyway, thanks for the commendation, and the post. I enjoy the lively discussion!
 
Lol. OP is original poster.

You guys are fun. Hey, if we can grow acropora in captivity and breed anthias, I think we'll figure out grass...?
 
"So, what are you basing this conclusion on? Research? Experience?"

35 yrs of ongoing conversations with a friend who has alot of experience experimenting with seagrasses and other enclosed marine ecosystems...

U think I just pulled this statement out of my rear- end ???
 
HotTuna, I appreciate your contribution, and in no way mean to provoke you, but here might be something to chew on.

From my AP Chemistry class, I understand that experiments must often be done in mostly sterile environments, right? What Mr. Hoaster has done, has been to create an ecosystem by making a non-sterile system.
At the same time, and out of sheer curiousity, what experiments has your friend done with seagrasses and enclosed marine ecosystems? One cannot just simply have an ecosystem in a box, as seagrass ecosystems often have transient herbivores like manatees, sea turtles, and other grazers, come and both give fertilizer, and cull the plants, everything in the ocean is never stable, but everchanging. I'm not an expert, even though I want to be, but there's one thing I've learned from this hobby. Never tell us that we can't. People tell us we can't keep saltwater fish longer than 10 years, we do it. People tell us we can't propogate acropora, we do it. People tell us we can't successfully breed and raise saltwater fish, we do it. People tell us that we can't ____, and y'know what? We do it :).
Have your friend read this, and tell you what he/she thinks. For all we know, this could be the start of a wonderful collaboration, mixing the marine planted hobby with science!

I'd also personally be interested in the credentials of your friend. As you probably know, there's a big difference between making a reef system, and maintaining it.

umm...oops? Maybe I'm still in college application mode, sorry for the rant/thought-provoking post.
 
"So, what are you basing this conclusion on? Research? Experience?"

35 yrs of ongoing conversations with a friend who has alot of experience experimenting with seagrasses and other enclosed marine ecosystems...

U think I just pulled this statement out of my rear- end ???

Short of the purposefully vague explanation, what led you and your friend to said conclusion in spite of the fact that quite a few have been continuously keeping grasses for years? But considering even just my experience with seagrasses flies in the face of what you've stated, not counting others, it certainly calls it into question. There's so much overgeneralization and assumption that I don't know where to begin with it...

Edit: Sorry Michael, I don't mean to derail over flamebait. I'm done on that subject and look forward to updates about your system.
 
Oh! You based your conclusion that MY tank is not a success, on conversations with a friend. Brilliant! Well, thanks again for stopping by! Ciao!
 
No apologies necessary. I've very much enjoyed the discussion, everyone!

Four days after the blackout, I'm seeing algae/cyano returning. It's not a lot, but it's not great. I think I need to do a larger water change. All the nutrients bound up in the algae were just returned to the water. So I need to save up more RO/DI water to change out. That shouldn't be too difficult.

Other than that, not a whole lot to report. The seagrasses are still growing, the barnacle blennies are still entertaining, feather dusters are still popping up. Oh, I almost forgot to mention, I'm getting some new red macros popping up as well, including on the fake root. Yay!
 
HotTuna, I appreciate your contribution, and in no way mean to provoke you, but here might be something to chew on.

From my AP Chemistry class, I understand that experiments must often be done in mostly sterile environments, right? What Mr. Hoaster has done, has been to create an ecosystem by making a non-sterile system.
At the same time, and out of sheer curiousity, what experiments has your friend done with seagrasses and enclosed marine ecosystems? One cannot just simply have an ecosystem in a box, as seagrass ecosystems often have transient herbivores like manatees, sea turtles, and other grazers, come and both give fertilizer, and cull the plants, everything in the ocean is never stable, but everchanging. I'm not an expert, even though I want to be, but there's one thing I've learned from this hobby. Never tell us that we can't. People tell us we can't keep saltwater fish longer than 10 years, we do it. People tell us we can't propogate acropora, we do it. People tell us we can't successfully breed and raise saltwater fish, we do it. People tell us that we can't ____, and y'know what? We do it :).
Have your friend read this, and tell you what he/she thinks. For all we know, this could be the start of a wonderful collaboration, mixing the marine planted hobby with science!

I'd also personally be interested in the credentials of your friend. As you probably know, there's a big difference between making a reef system, and maintaining it.

umm...oops? Maybe I'm still in college application mode, sorry for the rant/thought-provoking post.

My Friend : marine biologist/chemical engineer/inventor ....has a research & development facility here in the U.S. ....Has invented & patented several filtration devices used in the aquarium industry & commercial water filtration business worldwide....(you all have probably used one of them in your tanks at one time )
He has been doing research since the early 70's...Long before many of you so-called "experts" here on R/C
Problem is all you guys get your panties all in a bunch every time someone comes on here and disagrees with anything you are doing...That being said : Have at it ! been there ,done that....and my conclusion is still the same as simply stated above....
 
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My Friend can beat-up your friend. :uzi:
id10t. error..on the thread.
 
I've seriously never seen an argument like this on RC before. This looks like something from Facebook. Does it make you feel good talking down to people on RC, hottuna, using someone else's credentials? Can we carry on from this juvenile exchange?
 
"Can we carry on from this juvenile exchange?"
Suits me just fine.....if the OP is content with his slime algae infested tank....he can enjoy it in total BLISS... as for the rest...u might wanna look up Dr Walter Adey-formerly of the smithsonian ...he came pretty close to replicating a seagrass biotope in one of his lagoon tanks back in the day...
 
"Can we carry on from this juvenile exchange?"
Suits me just fine.....if the OP is content with his slime algae infested tank....he can enjoy it in total BLISS... as for the rest...u might wanna look up Dr Walter Adey-formerly of the smithsonian ...he came pretty close to replicating a seagrass biotope in one of his lagoon tanks back in the day...

I have a great deal of respect for Dr. Adey, actually, and I have followed a portion of his work. I may write him and gather more input as to his conclusion on the subject and to what extent/capacity he attempted to replicate seagrass beds. I have the feeling he tried emulating factors within seagrass systems (as a whole, not just grasses, sand, etc.) much further than any of us, which may have explained the problems associated with it. I also think we may be dealing with very different ideas (and hence the disconnect that is causing the friction), as here we are mostly concerned with horticulture and long-term sustainability of grasses themselves in closed systems--not the habitat as a whole. The former often involves taking steps to prevent what happens over the long-term in a natural seagrass bed.
 
You take really good pictures! How are the conchs and barnacle blennies and mollies doing? It seems like you've gotten rid of most of your problem algae too! congratulations!
 
Thanks, icthyogeek! I've been 'playing the numbers' with my old phone, meaning I take multiple shots of everything, then pick the best of each. I lost one of the conches. I've added 3 new black mollies. I had to move the first one down to the quarantine tank, since it was harassing the new ones. The barnacle blennies are great. Such a fun bunch to watch!

Algae/cynobacteria is still an issue, but not too bad. If I'd started with more grasses, less light would reach the sand. Adding filter feeders will help, but I need to wait for the tank to mature a bit. I just have to do more water changes during this 'new tank phase' Once the tank matures and I have the complete community I have planned, I'll be able to settle into a less frequent water change schedule.
 
I just ordered some more manatee grass, turtle grass and live mud, from Florida Pets! I think I pretty much wiped them out, since I had to order less than I wanted. The grasses are seasonally available, so you have to jump when they are. I got lucky.

I'm also excited about the mud. I spoke to John at FP, and he said it's loaded with worms and mini brittle stars, etc. The price for their mud was cheaper than buying the worms separately, so it was a slam-dunk for me! I'll of course report on the quality of it, once I get it.
 
I just ordered some more manatee grass, turtle grass and live mud, from Florida Pets! I think I pretty much wiped them out, since I had to order less than I wanted. The grasses are seasonally available, so you have to jump when they are. I got lucky.

I'm also excited about the mud. I spoke to John at FP, and he said it's loaded with worms and mini brittle stars, etc. The price for their mud was cheaper than buying the worms separately, so it was a slam-dunk for me! I'll of course report on the quality of it, once I get it.

The grasses obviously take a while to do too much, but I was very, very happy with the mud I received from them this past week. They weren't kidding, either. There were plenty of worms and a sizable little brittle star--about 2 inches from the tip of each ray. The Thalassia I got from them was in pretty good shape--we'll just see how well survival goes in the coming weeks, since they are slow to react.
 
That's great to hear, Amphiprion!

So true about the thalassia. I got his last 3, so I'm guessing they're 'the dregs'. Of the 6 I got from Live Aquaria, 2 died, so they do seem to be rather fragile in the stressed state we get them in.
 
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