Chromis Uronema Marinum (sp)

[Big E]

if you only want 2-3 chromis buy the black axials..........they're larger, prettier and can compete for food with more aggressive eaters.

http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+1634+3078&pcatid=3078

 

[Deinonych]

There is not much scientific evidence on effective treatment with cp however it is becoming more popular and considered very effective by some reefers. You dont need it however. Cupramine prazipro and paraguard can handle all of the same if I understand correctly

Cupramine only works on Cryptocaryon and marginally against velvet. Prazipro is only effective against flukes, and Paraguard has no empirical studies that demonstrate its effectiveness.

 

[bat21]

For those that have them, how large do blue reef chromis grow? Do they really hit 5 inches like it says on LA?

 

[BigJohnny]

Cupramine only works on Cryptocaryon and marginally against velvet. Prazipro is only effective against flukes, and Paraguard has no empirical studies that demonstrate its effectiveness.

Copper which obviously is in Cupramine is the primary treatment for ich and velvet in the reefing community. Whether or not it works marginally on velvet is a matter of opinion. However there is more evidence on it working than any other product on the market, including CP. (that may change soon with CP's resurgence, who knows!). It is my preventative medication of choice for both (obviously there are non medication based treatments like hypo and TTM) and is sufficient IMO along with the majority of the reefing community (based on my experience and research). Having said that, I have always hated the idea of using copper, it makes me feel like im running chemotherapy. I would use TTM for ich but due to my work travel schedule it is just not possible.

Prazipro is effective against more than just flukes, also flat worms, tape worms, and turbellarians.I have no idea if it has any effect on uronema however. I doubt it because i have never heard of that, although it is a parasite....

I have had success using Paraguard to prevent/treat brook. I also know many other people who do the same. That is all i use it for. It is basically designer formalin. It does not have "empirical evidence" that i know of, but scientifically it makes sense and certainly has sufficient anecdotal evidence based on my research. The main reason I use it for brook is because I know a clown breeder who recommended it to me over formalin and he has 40 years of experience. I trust his opinion.

So for me the only question is, do any of these medications (prazipro?) prevent/treat uronema or is CP the only one with any evidence of success (empirical or anecdotal?) That is the only major ailment i dont have covered. Besides bacterial/fungal infections which i have other stuff for.

CP sounds great but I am just not convinced its a better option than the 3 medications above for everything but uronema.

Does anyone have a link to the study on curing dead chromis with uronema? haha thats kind of suspicious to me, why wouldnt they do it on live chromis with uronema. It almost subtly appears to prove it doesnt work fast enough:crazy1:

 

[Deinonych]

Copper which obviously is in Cupramine is the primary treatment for ich and velvet in the reefing community. Whether or not it works marginally on velvet is a matter of opinion. However there is more evidence on it working than any other product on the market, including CP. (that may change soon with CP's resurgence, who knows!). It is my preventative medication of choice for both (obviously there are non medication based treatments like hypo and TTM) and is sufficient IMO along with the majority of the reefing community (based on my experience and research). Having said that, I have always hated the idea of using copper, it makes me feel like im running chemotherapy. I would use TTM for ich but due to my work travel schedule it is just not possible.

Understood. I base my treatments on Noga's Fish Diseases textbook, and he does not recommend copper as a treatment for velvet since it can mask symptoms. There is evidence that CP is highly effective against velvet, at doses as small as 5mg/L.

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2013/2/fish

Prazipro is effective against more than just flukes, also flat worms, tape worms, and turbellarians.I have no idea if it has any effect on uronema however. I doubt it because i have never heard of that, although it is a parasite....

Yes, I was generalizing. Flukes (actually monogenean trematodes) are the most common target for praziquantel, but it does treat other helminths as you indicated. Uronema is a protozoan (vs. multicellular parasites like flukes), so it is not affected by prazi treatments.

I have had success using Paraguard to prevent/treat brook. I also know many other people who do the same. That is all i use it for. It is basically designer formalin. It does not have "empirical evidence" that i know of, but scientifically it makes sense and certainly has sufficient anecdotal evidence based on my research. The main reason I use it for brook is because I know a clown breeder who recommended it to me over formalin and he has 40 years of experience. I trust his opinion.

Fair enough. I prefer Formalin due to its effectiveness, although I agree that it is particularly nasty.

So for me the only question is, do any of these medications (prazipro?) prevent/treat uronema or is CP the only one with any evidence of success (empirical or anecdotal?) That is the only major ailment i dont have covered. Besides bacterial/fungal infections which i have other stuff for.

CP sounds great but I am just not convinced its a better option than the 3 medications above for everything but uronema.

Does anyone have a link to the study on curing dead chromis with uronema? haha thats kind of suspicious to me, why wouldnt they do it on live chromis with uronema. It almost subtly appears to prove it doesnt work fast enough:crazy1:

CP and Formalin are the only meds I am aware of that treat uronemosis, although most of the accounts regarding CP appear to be anecdotal. Perhaps snorvich will chime in, as he has access to more of the scientific literature than I.

 

[tquinlan]

Snorvich is a documented plagiarizer who copy-pastes his information on fish diseases written by actual researchers and presents it as his own words. See here, and google quote any phrase to find the unreferenced original article by Roy Yanong:
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2159738

Uronema is an opportunistic pathogen, meaning it can be present in a system without necessarily being a pathogen on healthy fish. Fish that are weakened from the stress of poor shipping and handling can fall victim to it. Uronema in Chromis presents as dark to red lesions on the body followed quickly by death. Your best bet in avoiding it is prevention, by acquiring fish that have been at the LFS for a while without showing any signs of disease. Blue Chromis will almost always kill themselves down to one fish, or a pair if you're lucky, given enough time. This happens even in very large tanks.

 

[gone fishin]

That is a pretty serious accusation.

 

[tquinlan]

This is the original article by Roy Yanong.
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/fa164

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2159738

You can see from the above post (RC link) that snorvich has just copy-pasted it and added a few of his own words without any attribution or reference to the original article above. By any measure, this is plagiarism.

 

[gone fishin]

I see a lot of notations listed within the posting. I believe your just trying to stir the pot.

 

[tquinlan]

Those are references cited within the original article that were copy-pasted along with the rest of the article. Look at the University of Florida link I posted and you can see the same exact notations there. He did not attribute the original source of the entirety of the post--Dr. Roy Yanong. It is plagiarism.

 

[gone fishin]

I have no intention of arguing with you, have a nice day.

 

[DgenR8]

I pass along good information that I am not the researcher behind, all the time.
The information offered by Snorvich is quality information, he's never claimed anything more.