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lilfishbigreef
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13228487#post13228487 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Chef Reef
I tried it for about 3 weeks, damn fish kept dying within a day so i thought i was being sold sick fish or something so i kept trying different LFS's... then i found this place and vola! I started using tap water and instant ocean!.
btw, im j/k. at least on the first part. the tap water part was true for awhile... and yes im on RO/DI now
WHAT????? your not supposed to use tap water???since when??
Thanks anyways DC
Cheers!
Emilio
chinoxl3
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Thank you Pedro, you've been a great member and I appreciate all that you've done for FMAS in the virtual world. You took it on your part to update the website and introduced the Google maps feature in the forum which has greatly helped out the club members. I'm sure if you weren't around and someone would have recommended a Google maps, we would have seen the same arguments we are seeing now. I'm sure that with your talent and other motivated individuals, you can make this idea a reality. Once it's off the ground, I'm sure others will be convinced that it is not a bad idea after all.
Ding2daDong
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Whos considered commerical now and sells 1/4" frags that were fraged the day before? I am sorry that half of the poeple who bought my corals at the frag swap didn't know how to keep sps from the club, all wanting their money back after making threads that they have high nitrates at the sametime. LOL I sold corals for $5 that were all atleast and inch, especially my purple tenuis that goes for $80 an inch online I sold for $10, get off my ***!
-Matthew
Ding2daDong
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Yea I hear ya.
-Matthew
sufunk
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I guess i must be dense because i really dont understand all of this. People want to leave RC all in a huff and start our own forum for the main purpose of "freedom of speech". However, rule #1 of the new forum will be "No bashing any LFS". Am i the only one that thinks that is hypocitical as hell????
The only new freedom will be that people who dont consider this a "hobby" but rather a business will be able to sell as many frags as they want.
chinoxl3
Premium Member
It's not about closing down shop and moving everything to a new forum. It's about having our own forum where the local club has more control. Then we can add additional features and tools that you can't do here. If a member choses to stay here, that is fine and if a member decides to use both, that is fine also. No one is forcing anyone to stop coming here and move to a new forum and I doubt everyone will rush to the door towards the new forum.
As for "hard work", the only folks I would see working hard on this is Pedro and volunteers if they choose to take on this task. The only thing we would have to do is sit back and enjoy the benefits and provide suggestions as needed.
We are all civilized people and we should voice our opinions. I don't think that all hell will break loose and crash the forum as quickly as it went up. I think people are digging too deep on this issue.
Jgoal55
Active member
First of all, imo, there is a big difference between bashing a LFS and mentioning that a LFS has 60% of their fish dead or with ick.
I value my time and if I read a review like that about a LFS I probably won't go there. That should be allowed on any site. I am not saying to be a jerk and say "that LFS was a piece of crrap, the worst people on earth, i hate them, etc." But there is definitely a respectable way to review a LFS. Just like reviewing a restaurant or movie. Of course, if you have a good product you don't have to worry about people saying those types of things. If someONE does, the people who are happy with the product almost always comes to the products defense.
Secondly, selling frags is not a business for anyone I know. If you are making a living selling frags on a reef forum, I'd venture to say you are living way below the poverty line. The point of selling frags is nothing more than to support the addiction to this hobby that many of us have. I have never sold frags but I am always a fan of buying a frag from someone I know. And most of the time they sell the frag for a great price. That said, I see this happen on RC all the time? Who says this isn't allowed here? I personally don't believe this is an advantage to having our own forum because we can do that here.
Thirdly and tied to point one, "freedom of speech," is definitely, imo, not the number one reason to have your own forum. There is plenty of freedom of speech on RC (albeit not enough when it comes to talking about someone the mods dont like, but whatever). There are many other reasons to have our own forum which I have already mentioned: the ability to post under different topics (segmenting threads), the ability for LFS to post a sale they are having or a new item they have in stock, advertising revenue for the club, etc...
illal
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theres quite a few club members who are not allowed to sell here on RC because of what evr reason but the fact is those people (or atleast the ones i kno personally) arnt just in it to make a buck but instead for the love of the hobby.... personally i love buying stuff from local reefers instead of paying top dollar at most LFS and honestly i dont like the fact that RC limits us.. for example id like to kno what so and so has in there frag tank or if this person has that great frag that ive been wanting :rolleye1:
sufunk
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I dont see those points as having much weight in regards to leaving a great site like RC.
First, in the minds of most FMAS member there is no difference between bashing a lfs and stating the truth. Try starting a thread saying "i was at xyz store and they had a ton of dead fish and there tanks were covered with aiptasia". 50 people will immediately jump down your throat asking why you are bashing our lfs! It just happened recently. Someone posted they were at a store and they had a bunch of dead fish in their tanks and everyone and their mother jumped in to flame him and give 10 million ridiculous excuses as to why the store had a ton of dead fish but is still a great store
Second, it may not be their main business but WAY to many people are using fragging as a side business and trying to squeeze every dollar out of this "hobby" that they can. Personally, i am sick and tired of people buying corals for the sole purpose of growing them and fragging them and ALOT of people are doing just that. People who buy corals to enjoy them and have to trim them once a year or so for room and want to sell frags have ZERO problem doing that here on RC. People who buy corals just to frag them and make a buck end up having problems
Third, freedom of speech is DEFINITELY the #1 reason everyone suddenly wants to leave RC. For some insane reason, a bunch of people have their panties in a wad because they cant promote one banned store. LFS dont need to post their new stock. The majority of them have us on their email lists and email us with new shipments. Also, as long as a lfs doesnt use a million backhanded ways to promote themselves, RC has no problem with us coming here and posting "hey, xyz store just got in an insane shipment of corals!"
Any other benefits of leaving RC are vastly outweighed by the resources RC provides us. Any forum will have rules and even if we created our own, there will be some who disagree with those rules and will need to be censored/banned.
sufunk
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People who ALWAYS have a tankful of frags to sell at all times are NOT doing that for the "love of the hobby", they are doing it solely to make $$$
Unless you have a 500g+tank stocked to the rim with corals, you arent going to always have a million frags available. I really dont understand how someone who has a say 90g tank can always have frags for sale but they "aren't just in it to make a buck but instead for the love of the hobby"
flfireman1
Wrasse aficionado
I dont think anybody here is trying to squeeze every dollar out of the hobby. The main people who are the fraggers here are students at school. Therefor, they are trying to make money in order to buy more stuff for their aquariums. Its up to you if you decide to buy it or not. Not everyone here is as priviledged to have an income to go out and buy whatever it is they want. Im certain if you research whoever is selling the frags they are turning around and spending that money to buy more frags from LFS.
sufunk
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I disagree to an extent. Yes, much of the money made from fragging is used to buy more frags. However, from what i see, those new frags are bought SOLELY for the purpose of more fragging. They aren't buying more stuff for their aquariums, they are buying more frags for their frag tanks so they can sell them and buy more and more frags that can be sold later.
From what i've seen and in my experience, there are a TON of members here in FMAS that are more than willing to give you a frag either for free or for very little cost. Those are people that still view this as a "hobby" and arent in it to make a buck and actually have display tanks not a roomful of frag tanks. Those people also NEVER have a problem with RC regarding selling. The people who buy frags intending to refrag them constantly to make $$$, end up having a problem.
I havent been around forever but when i started, alot of members much more experienced than me were offering help and FREE frags to me. Yeah, maybe they weren't Tyree LE frags but who cares, they were nice stuff! I assume they did that because they love this hobby and wanted it to grow and i've tried to copy that example. Of the handful of FMAS members who have seen my tank, i think everysingle one of them left with a free frag of something. Even with them trying not to take them, i was like "cmon, i have a ton of these, take one!" I'm sure i could have sold them for $5 or so but i try to follow the example of those who were nice to me in the beginning trying to expand our HOBBY.
Wouldn't it be nice if we could get back to that instead of rushing home to our frag tank to see if a new PPE polyp grew that we can frag and sell for $25?
sufunk
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Because, more often than not imo, they are dumping that money into their frag tank not their display so they can have even more frags to sell.
Trimming your corals and selling the frags is fine. I have no problem at all with that and neither does RC. Buying frags for the sole purpose of putting it in your frag tank until it grows a little and then chopping it up to sell frags is not "for the love of the hobby" imo. Doing that is against RC policy and i back that 100%!
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