Congradulations MIAMI HEAT!!!

[turtlespd]

Everyone said they wouldnt get passed Detroit. Everyone said they didnt have a good enought team. Everyone said even if they made it into the finals they would get knocked out.

Well, it has been all said and done. Miami Heat is the NBA finals champion.

You gotta give them credit. Everyone stepped up today and took that win from Mavs.

OH yeah MVP WADE!

I have to admit this has been the best NBA finals in a long time. I was sitting and falling off my seat several times during the finals. I hope next year we will the playoffs as good as this year.

 

[dodgersfan25]

yeah, good game and crazy series, but...........

GO LAKERS

hopefully we'll be there next year!

 

[Bebo77]

Shaq is on his way to a fist full of ring...

 

[BlueStag]

 

[Joya]

WHITE HOT! Go Heat! That was an incredible series...

 

[ezcompany]

watch the Worldcup, now there's a sport

 

[818]

Gabe he has a fist full. 4 rings is all you get when you punch somone in the face

Shaq is going down as the best center ever! Wade is on the map. Pat proved everyone wrong when taking over late in the season.

Heat deserved to be Champs...

O crap and I almost forgot about Iron Man=Alonzo baby u got one finally Wooohooo.....and payton sigh

 

[SteveOhh]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7598968#post7598968 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by My F1sh R D34D!


Shaq is going down as the best center ever!

Wrong....................Wilt & Bill Russell are two centers that Shaq can't even touch....................

30% FT is a joke..............they are called Free Throws for a reason..................This is one of the main reasons he isn't the best ever

Bet if he had played for Coach K or Bobby Knight in college he'd be a better FT shooter........

 

[818]

Wilt & Bill would die against Shaq.

The center position literally is a 1 vs 1 position. Wilt and Bill didnt go to the line as much as Shaq so its hard to compare and say that.

Different Times. If you put Shaq back in the Wilt,Walton,Russell Era he would dominate, Put those 3 players I just mentioned in this era and they would become cup-n-noodles.

If Wilt,Walton,Russel ever even touched Shaq's attempt at the foul line then compare centers. Dont compare a 7'1 beast to a point gaurds shooting%.

Shaq gets "Free Dunks" who else do you know that can do that?! Cant stop that dude.:lol:

Ofcourse there are other GREATs...Olajuwon, Robinson....

Shaq has 4 rings and is still kicking at his age. All centers wore out early and they were 60-90lbs lighter than Shaq.

Shaq is SICK!

 

[Bebo77]

Sam put a pic of Shaq up.. i hate having to see kobe on every thread in the socal forum....

 

[818]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7599105#post7599105 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Bebo77
Sam put a pic of Shaq up.. i hate having to see kobe on every thread in the socal forum....

Muahahaha....I shall post on the entire RC for that

 

[luisprado]

Hate to disagree with you Sam but Shaq sucks. He is just a ball of fat. That's why he complains when he loses weight. He gots no skills. He needs the extra FAT to push people around to get off a decent shot. On top of that, Shaq goes to the line a lot because people know he can't hit a free throw to save his life. That's why he gets there so often and that's why he is the "BIG LIABILITY"

Give me Bill and Wilt any day of the week.

 

[diddye]

shaq

shaq

Wilt and kareem will run circles around shaq. Thats why i hate that he won it. I hate people to win something on laziness. His only motivation was revenge.

 

[jeffreylam1132]

Are you all forgetting something here, no one mention about how great Kareem Abdul Jabbar was. IMO, no center can compare to the "CAPTAIN"! After all, he is the NBA all-time leading scorer and that record my man, can't be touch! I will choose Kareem over any center in the world! No doubt about it.

 

[Gisho]

*rant on*

Ahhh, someone must not have been around to see Kareem hitting those unstoppable sky-hooks time after time after time in the crunch against the C's. Olajuwon with his nimble and unstoppable speed, agility and footwork going to the basket, not to mention his consistent outside shot and dependable free-throwing. There is no excuse for a professional who makes millions of dollars/year to make 30% of his FT's. How "clutch" can a player be down the stretch, especially in the playoffs, if he can't make a free-throw. That is called laziness. Hell, they coined a strategy in the NBA based on his weakness..."Hack-a-Shaq". Wow, what a "Best Center Ever" candidate...

I wasn't around in the Wilt the Stilt days...but I was around to see Kareem and Olajuwon. Now those were skilled centers. The only thing going for Shaq is his size. How much skill does it take to dunk the ball on a 10' rim when you are 7' + tall. Let me tell you: NOT MUCH. He leads every move to the basket with his elbows to the defender's chin. Don't tell me that it's because he's so big and they just naturally "land" on the defenders' chins. He purposely uses them to create space to get his weak 3-5 foot "shot-putt's" off or to clear space to the basket so he can dunk. He has singlehandedly changed the game of professional basketball for the worse by changing the way the game is officiated. I am, or say was, a huge NBA fan since growing up with the Lakers in the '80's. I was really pulling for the Spurs this year because love 'em or hate 'em, I believe they exemplify
a TEAM. Duncan can have an off-night and the others will pick it up. Parker and Ginobli are excellent penetrators and passers to open jump shooters. Bowen is an excellent defender and spot up 3 point shooter. Nowadays it's all show and one-on-one moves to the basket and dunks. Boring. Can't stand Kobe for that same reason. At this point I'd rather watch college ball anyday because it's about TEAMWORK, i.e. PASSING THE BALL, defense, rebounding, and setting picks.
It's also about passion for the game and undying school spirit...not jumping on the nearest bandwagon or "superstar".
March madness IS basketball or at least SHOULD be what basketball is all about.

Being a huge NBA fan since the late '70's, and player myself to this day, it is sad to see this sports progression go this way and it really hits a nerve.

Ahh, I long for the days of watching Magic, Big Game James, Coop, Scott, and the goofy lanky guy with the silly looking goggles. Showtime at the Forum, those were the days....

I'll step off my soapbox now...
*rant off*

 

[turtlespd]

If NBA rules had to be changed because of an individual player i would say he is pretty skilled. I can't classify Shaq with any other players of the pass because he is a freak. Imagine trying to guard a center of his size. Yes past players such as Kareem is a thing of beauty but when a player such as Shaq demands double and triple teamed to be slowed down, I dont care what you say he is good. With his size and speed he was very dominant. Yes he is getting old but look at Kareem when he got old. Did we all forget the ever so smooth sky hook started to become short of a few inches? If You really want to compare ateast compare Shaq and Kareem in their prime. Yes it is very disapointing to see a player such as shaq make millions and cant make a free throw but give credit where credit is due. We prolly wont ever see another play such as shaq enter the leauge again in our life time.

We can always compare centers playing one on one. I think Shaq will back everyone down and power them into shooting from outside.

I give my vote to Shaq but damn them missed free throws do hurt.

 

[Gisho]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7599465#post7599465 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by turtlespd
If NBA rules had to be changed because of an individual player i would say he is pretty skilled.

You don't get it.

The rules (moreso the way the game is officiated) had to be changed because of his SIZE, NOT his SKILL.

Why do you think defending teams have to double and tripple team him? I'll tell you why: it's because he's so large that he will back down, spin with his elbows extended, and dunk. All of which do not require or equate to "skill" or therefore qualify him as a "skilled" player. He does it time after time. Sometimes they call him for it. Sometimes they don't. That's the problem with NBA officiating modern era. The defender has little to no chance. The amount of travelling, carrying over, offensive hooking, etc. etc. that "superstars" get away with nowadays is sickening. You wanna know why it's that way? It's because scoring, specifically dunking, sells tickets, posters, nike commercials and gatorade ads. Defense doesn't sell. Passing doesn't sell. Jump shots don't sell. "Superstar", one-on-three, five steps to the basket without dribbling, carrying the ball, posterized dunks? Now those sell.

Is that truly a skilled player or what basketball should be about?
Yes, maybe that is a skilled player in some people's opinion (NOT mine though), but it is NOT WHAT BASKETBALL SHOULD BE ABOUT .

The difference is that the truly skilled players of yesteryear didn't have to do that to score. They did it with SKILL.

Let me ask you something: do you see them double or triple teaming Shaq when he is 10 feet away from the basket? No. Why? Because he has no outside shot. Why? Because that would actually require SKILL and what else? Oh yeah, PRACTICE in the gym and DEDICATION.

I give up. Good night.

 

[turtlespd]

^^lol thats funny, take a chill pill while your at it. People are just voicing their opinions. There is no reason to get frustrated over our simple minded thoughts.

Now for you to say shaq has no skill, you being very bias. He has great skill but just not over all and in the areas you feel are important. To be his size and move at that speed and have a nice little hook. Some skill must be involved. Everyone here can and is willing to admit that Kareem say had a pretty skill full shot. Half of shaqs points comes from some type of hook, do you agree? If not please do watch a game a take notes. His other points consist of yes backing down players and one or two free throws,lol. Being a person of his size and able to play at a NBA pace does take practice and skills.

Ok, so they wont guard Shaq 10ft away from the rim, SO? Last timei checked most centers dont shoot from 10ft away. I dont even think you really follow or understand basketball. So with this interpritation your telling me Ben Wallace has not Skills? LOL what a joke. Ben is considered a remarkable player. He doesnt score, he cant shoot or even catch the ball in some cases but he can do only one thing, Defense!

I give up, Good Night!...just messing!

Just like i hate KObe, atleast i give credit where credit is due. Please give Shaq credit where credit is due. He is that good and he is that dominant. Dont let your opinons blind you!

 

[SteveOhh]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7599465#post7599465 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by turtlespd
If NBA rules had to be changed because of an individual player i would say he is pretty skilled.

Ummm...........not NBA rules, but during Kareem's college career they outlawed dunking because he was so dominant. Thats where Kareem developed the skyhook. If they changed any rules to make Shaq less dominant, it should be that he has to shoot all his shots from the free throw line. Shaq can't make free throws to save his life. Why do you think other teams take the "hack-a-Shaq" defensive scheme? Free throws people!! How many games has Shaq lost because of his lack of making free throws? Kinda like how the NHL changed the rules to deal w/ the 80's Edmonton Oilers.

Shaq is a whining crybaby if things don't go exactly the way Shaq wants them to. Shaq says D. Wade is the best coach he's ever played for & Riley is the best coach he's ever played for. Sounds like a baby crying sour grapes to me. They'll never win 3 rings in Miami. Riley will never have 9 rings. Wade will never hang 81 on the board. Sahall I go on???

Steve

 

[snslarison]

Lakers should have kept Shaq. Bottom line. All laker fans know it but wont admit it.

Know why Wade wont "hang 81 on the board"? Because he doesnt have to. He's a team player. He (like Jordan) realizes that he cant win it on his own. Kobe wont ever figure that out.

I'll take a guy who brings out the best in other players and still scores 40+ any day over someone like Kobe.