Congradulations MIAMI HEAT!!!

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7601715#post7601715 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Gisho
Secondly, your example and description of Hakeem passing out of the double and triple team to open jump shooters is good team basketball. It's called PASSING. Those are called ASSISTS. If they knock down the shot, more power to them. That's skill. I was coached and coach to pass to the open shooter. THAT is good team ball. I can appreciate that. I would much rather watch that, then Shaq running over three guys, while travelling, while smashing them in their jaws with his elbows. If you want to compare position to position, you also fail to mention that Hakeem was an excellent all around player. Good passer, dare I say good set shot, decent jump shot, good footwork to the basket, and most importantly in playoff/end of tight game situations, solid at the line.
I was coached to move, to screen, to make the game fluid, not have the best player pound it inside while the rest watched the shot clock tick down hoping he will pass it to me. The great Lakers teams you refered to play nothing like the Hakeem's Rockets so I'm not exactly sure what you were taught or how you believe the game should be played. If you are talking about effective, then sure, but so is Shaq and his thuggery.

Shaq is actually a pretty skilled and willing passer as evidenced by this year's playoffs. He could have forced the issue and put up 20 shots a game but he took what came to him and passed out of the double-team. And for his career his averages a shade more assists than Hakeem. In addition, you are focusing on the fat Shaq. Shaq in his first 10 years or so in the league was a rare combination of size, agility, and skill that only Wilt could probably match. However, he's a dying breed as a true center which doesn't suggest the impact on the game, officiating, rule changes... as you claim.

Agreed. 100%.

Again, agreed. As I stated, I was pulling for the Spurs. Didn't mind losing to the Mavs as they are well coached and play team ball. Love Detroit too for their team approach, defense, and Rip running those beautiful screen patterns a la Reggie..
Great, throw in teams like Memphis and Sacramento and you have at least half the playoff teams that we agree play good team basketball. Sounds like the game is still in good shape, rewards team play and not all about "show and one-one moves to the basket and dunks" or that we should be concerned about the sports progression.
Not much of a "dare". Easy answer. HOCKEY. There is no other sport that I play or watch that has the level of individual skill, speed, passing, and "team" mentality at the professional and even league/amateur level.

Now that I took you up on your "dare", what do I win? :rolleyes: :lol: [/B]
The assumption that you missed is that I meant pure AND holds interest. Hockey is up there with cricket in terms of popularity nowadays. I'll send you some "rock anemones" as a prize. Just post your address.
 
Give me a break...big hands. Why don't you guys also say that Shaq is also at a disadvantage at shooting foul shots because he stands farther away from the basket because of his big feet?

It's purely skill sets. Shaq's natural attribute is his size which he utilizes very well. Like Dwayne's natural ability is his speed and accuracy, they play their positions for a reason. Comparing specific skills is looking at the small picture. Shaq doesn't need to be good at free throws because he dominates underneath.
 
wayne...you have huge hands? equivalent the biggest ever in the nba in mass?

i also don't think he does put his best effort towards them and i also think he almost always 'illegally' uses his elbows
 
Well, in comparison, when I shoot those mini basketballs, I can probably shoot close to 100% so I dont think having large hands is the issue. Just how much larger are shaqs that he shoots less then 50% when yao ming shoots in the mid 70's? I bet I can even shoot baseballs effectively. Having bigger hands by definition gives you greater control of the ball. Does that also mean that people like earl boykins should shoot really poorly? I think it basically comes down to skill. Shaq has no game outside of 5 feet.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7602959#post7602959 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by diddye
i dont think thats a fair comparison regarding FT's. Why is it that david robinson, yao ming, shawn bradley, KG, jabbar etc all can shoot FT's?

David Robinson has small SG hands. Yao is garbage,Shawn Bradley....yea....? Hes gotten dunked on by all the PG's in the game:lol: KG is a PF. Jabbar is one of the few graceful centers the NBA has ever seen. These are all different types of players.

Not every single player can have it all. Well maybe only Mike:rolleyes:
 
I have a pic of Shaqs hands. They barely fit on my screen, RC will pixelate and make them smaller though:(
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7603221#post7603221 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by diddye
Well, in comparison, when I shoot those mini basketballs, I can probably shoot close to 100% so I dont think having large hands is the issue. Just how much larger are shaqs that he shoots less then 50% when yao ming shoots in the mid 70's? I bet I can even shoot baseballs effectively. Having bigger hands by definition gives you greater control of the ball. Does that also mean that people like earl boykins should shoot really poorly? I think it basically comes down to skill. Shaq has no game outside of 5 feet.


lol, sure you do ;)....ohh, and don't forget, next time shoot at a basket just bigger than the mini-ball ;)

i do agree he is not very skilled and not at all beyond 5'...but he still 'dominated' the nba for a long time...
 
I am confused. Everyone faults Shaq for not having an outside game. What coach would want him to have an outside game. It is not his position. His body size prevents it from being an option. It would be like faulting Kobe for not playing center. His game would be lacking at that position. He doesnt have the size.

Shaq is supposed to use his size. His position is not a finesse position. I know of few "true" centers who put the ball on the floor, or posess a great jump shot. Could Shaq have been a greater center if he put in more work on conditioning. Probably, but that's like saying Einstein could have done greater things if he wasnt a womanizer. It is what it is.

I dont feel Shaq is the greatest center. He has faults. I think for someone of his size, his rebounding is low. He's not even the most dominate in my book. Most dominate: Wilt Chamberlain
Greatest center: Bill Russell
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7603289#post7603289 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by My F1sh R D34D!
David Robinson has small SG hands. Yao is garbage,Shawn Bradley....yea....? Hes gotten dunked on by all the PG's in the game:lol: KG is a PF. Jabbar is one of the few graceful centers the NBA has ever seen. These are all different types of players.

Not every single player can have it all. Well maybe only Mike:rolleyes:

What does the position of where they play or how good they are determine anything? The theory is that the larger the hand, the worse you are supposed to shoot. Saying bradley got dunked on is not a valid arguement. KG being a PF does not make his hands smaller. Yao being garbage still makes him 7'6.
 
I would be ****ed if Shaq was a 3 point shooter.

Dirk
Brian Cook
Keith Van Horn

all garbage 7 footers, well except Dirk....
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7603322#post7603322 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SCARYBO
I am confused. Everyone faults Shaq for not having an outside game. What coach would want him to have an outside game. It is not his position. His body size prevents it from being an option. It would be like faulting Kobe for not playing center. His game would be lacking at that position. He doesnt have the size.

Shaq is supposed to use his size. His position is not a finesse position. I know of few "true" centers who put the ball on the floor, or posess a great jump shot. Could Shaq have been a greater center if he put in more work on conditioning. Probably, but that's like saying Einstein could have done greater things if he wasnt a womanizer. It is what it is.

I dont feel Shaq is the greatest center. He has faults. I think for someone of his size, his rebounding is low. He's not even the most dominate in my book. Most dominate: Wilt Chamberlain
Greatest center: Bill Russell

Tex winters, phil jackson, and even pat riley wanted shaq to develop more skills. It not only would make him a better player, but extend his basktball life. He is too predictable and once his age shows(like it does now) he is easier to guard. Why else do you think jabbar lasted so long? He is supposed to use his size....but his move is to back up back up back up then dunk. He'll do a few other moves but nowhere near what many centers can do. Hes one of the best centers ever(top 5) but what seperates him is his determination.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7603328#post7603328 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by My F1sh R D34D!
I would be ****ed if Shaq was a 3 point shooter.

Dirk
Brian Cook
Keith Van Horn

all garbage 7 footers, well except Dirk....

Dirk maybe 7 feet. Brian cook is 6'9 and van horn is 6'8. Remember sabonis? he was a legit 7'1 who can bomb the 3 pointer. He was a beauty to watch.
 
Matt, why are you so hung up on the size of his hands? Yes, he may have the biggest hands in the league, but you make it seem like they’re so much more enormous than everyone else’s. They’re not. Yao is 4 inches taller than Shaq; yeah his hands are a little smaller but he shoot’s over 75% FT.

You also make it seem like it’s a proven fact the bigger hand equals crappy shooter. It’s not. He just simply sucks at throwing free-throws and is good because of his size.
 
In my book they are weak tall people. I cant stand people at that height only settling for a jumper. Big dudes like that need to do the dirty work and bomb on people in the inside.
 
Sam, I see you jumpped ship!
I knew you would come to your senses..

BLING,BLING, SHAQ HAS ANOTHER RING.............
 
Haha no Gonzalo! I just switched the pic because everyone was hating on me. I never disliked Shaq Diesel:)

Im more happy for Alonzo Mourning, phew....that man deserved one. That ring makes Alonzos come back to the league worth it.
 
no one in the history of the nba has had hands anywhere close to the 'mass' of shaq's.....*and i said he doesn't try enough or practice enough either......i'm not a shaq fan.

mass = length + 'girth'.....it's the second part of my einstein equation ;) that makes all the difficulty in the world - imo
 
no one in the history of the nba has had hands anywhere close to the 'mass' of shaq's.....*and i said he doesn't try enough or practice enough either......i'm not a shaq fan.

OK fine, Shaq can't make free throws because he has fat, puggy hands.

Im more happy for Alonzo Mourning, phew....that man deserved one. That ring makes Alonzos come back to the league worth it.

Yes, I definitely agree. I'm even happy for Payton.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7603640#post7603640 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by WayneL333
Yes, I definitely agree. I'm even happy for Payton.



me too!:thumbsup: .......except for GP, but he was great in his prime
 
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