Coral Reef Conservation Amendments Act

[GreshamH]

Care to expand on that

http://www.context.tv/index.php?project_id=5

In the same spirit of discovery, marine biologist Luiz Rocha has joined the expedition to study the long term effects of radiation on marine life. He has picked up the trail of a mysterious shark population with a strange mutation, which he suspects is a result of the atomic tests. Bikini's "œshark pass" is home to many sharks "“ but will Luiz find the legendary sharks, or will they remain a mystery after all?

By far not enough on that subject in the show

 

[GreshamH]

Your assumption I did that is incorrect. Posted and quoted with one change, I removed the double spacing so it was easier to read.

Google is an awesome tool

http://keysnews.com/node/29582

The Center for Biological Diversity last week filed a notice of its intent to sue the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) Fisheries Service in 60 days for its failure to protect the imperiled coral species under the Endangered Species Act, according to Miyoko Sakashita, oceans director for the group.

 

[organism]

Why are names ***** ? If they said it why do you block them out?

Apparently it got blocked by rc's profanity filter. The guy's name is, and let me say this is the best name ever for an environmentalist intent on taking away people's rights by any means necessary, Saka****a.

edit - oops, Gresham beat me to it.

 

[organism]

In the same spirit of discovery, marine biologist Luiz Rocha has joined the expedition to study the long term effects of radiation on marine life. He has picked up the trail of a mysterious shark population with a strange mutation, which he suspects is a result of the atomic tests. Bikini's "œshark pass" is home to many sharks "“ but will Luiz find the legendary sharks, or will they remain a mystery after all?

I love that movie, I think it was called Sharktopus

 

[GreshamH]

:lol: You kill me


Dr Peter Rubec edited his post on the forum I got the story from. He removed the names. Google quickly returned the original article though. No idea why Peter would do that... Peter? Could be due to his job?

 

[GreshamH]

I love that movie, I think it was called Sharktopus

Miguel why not watch it so you can have a educated response to it You're way smarter then that came off... but it made me chuckle as well... and they ruined a good thing, it was a bearsharktopus before they got to it.

 

[GreshamH]

 

[organism]

Miguel why not watch it so you can have a educated response to it You're way smarter then that came off... but it made me chuckle as well... and they ruined a good thing, it was a bearsharktopus before they got to it.

From what I gathered they were on the MY Octopus ship with a guy looking for radioactive sharks. I'm not sure if there's any way to comment on that kind of hollywood gold that would make me sound intelligent

 

[coralfish]

I love the bearsharktopus!

 

[billsreef]

Seems to be getting a bit hot and heavy in here, so a reminder...

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[greenbean36191]

Part of the call was for scientific studies to be done. Given there is very little money put forth on this, and the burden lies on the exporting country, this very well could ban the import and trade of the majority of the trade by default. It's not the intention, but as written that can very well be the outcome.

Huh? That's not how the ESA works.

The burden of proof to even initiate a status review is on the petitioner claiming that a species is endangered. Once a status review is initiated, NMFS has to review the available evidence and consult specialists- nothing more. The petitioner can certainly call for more research to be done, but NMFS has no obligation to commision any original research, and they almost never do. If there isn't enough data already available to determine the status of a species it's assumed that it doesn't warrant listing.

The exporting countries don't even enter into the picture unless they ask to have a species' CITES designation changed or they decide on their own that they want to regulate exports.

So if common corals are classified as "endangered species" enviros get to fill their wish list of having a hand in fishing, waste disposal and all kinds of federal projects they don't approve of while at the same time killing to reef hobby?

Well, what a happy coincidence that is

"Enviros" aren't the ones who make that determination. Anyone, including you, is allowed to petition the government to list a species under the ESA, regardless of how shaky your case is. The determination of whether that species should be listed as threatened or endangered is up the NMFS (in the case of marine species), who has to look at all of the available data and consult specialists on that species to determine that there is imminent "danger of extinction throughout all or a significant portion of its range." That rules out listing common species for which dramatic decline hasn't been documented. There are also public comment periods included in the process during which the NMFS is required to consider the concerns of the public, including economic impacts of listing them and counterclaims about the status of the species.

Consider that the ~97% decline of Caribbean Acropora throughout the Caribbean was one of the most dramatic and well-documented coral population declines ever seen, yet it still took the NMFS almost 20 years to be convinced that they were at risk and to list them under the ESA.

 

[greenbean36191]

These laws are only for those civilized countries that have the means to enforce it, and unfortunately the means to trickle it down to their citizens. Indonesia, the Phillipines, Thialand, Singapore, and others will never follow through.

There's legislation known as the Coral Reef Conservation Act that provides a framework for public and private funding to help enforce reef conservation measures in developing countries.

 

[organism]

"Enviros" aren't the ones who make that determination. Anyone, including you, is allowed to petition the government to list a species under the ESA, regardless of how shaky your case is. The determination of whether that species should be listed as threatened or endangered is up the NMFS (in the case of marine species), who has to look at all of the available data and consult specialists on that species to determine that there is imminent "danger of extinction throughout all or a significant portion of its range."

I didn't say they'd be the ones to make that determination, I said that the laundry list of their goals that they'd accomplish should that determination be made is a very happy coincidence for them, and I'm sure has nothing to do with their motives, however shaky their case

 

[PeterIMA]

Petition to ban 83 species of corals under ESA

Petition to ban 83 species of corals under ESA

Gresham, Just for your information. I did not delete the name of the individuals associated with the posting from Center for Biodiversity on RDO. Perhaps Thales did it. Also, if you look you will see the same posting elsewhere on Reef Central (with the names that were deleted from the posting on RDO).

My original objections to the ESA petition stand, there is insufficient scientific evidence to prove that the species of coral are threatened and endangered over their entire ranges. Nearly Threatened (based on expert opinion) is not acceptable evidence (depite the fact that I know some of the scientists named in the paper published in Science).

Peter Rubec

 

[rwb500]

As for DHMO, I am not an expert, but would gladly sign it (as I would sign any petition to ban any other harmful chemical). I just don't see why I can't sign a petition to ban DHMO and at the same time want to protect threatened species of coral.

lulz.

 

[jimmy frag]

protecting the reef

protecting the reef

i import direct from indo on a regular basis and know there government put out a quota on for example, acans, only so many are allowed to be harvested per year. but being indo. well i know of shops that are bringing in 100s of pieces per month.