Coral Tank from Canada (1350gal Display Tank)

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I just wanted to add my 2 cents to the lighting topic as I did see it first hand. Although Peter is looking for the best practice and I agree with him LED is for sure the future, although I had some issues I felt were not great about the LED, and I made sure I repeated it 100 times. I'm sure Mr. Wilson will come and explain this better, but from my point of view (a very uneducated one in terms of a reef tank LOL) for all the people looking into LED fixtures. I didn't like and could not get passed the shimmer on the LED fixtures. At the end of the day we all do this for our own visual pleasure. Let's face it we all want it to look nice and when someone walks into the room there jaw drops. No matter if we have a 5 gallon nano or a 1350 gallon monster, these all costed us a fortune in our own respect. The shimmer on a MH is a nice soothing shimmer. With LED because a fixture has 25+ bulbs over a 12" area, you have 25 bulbs each shimmering. So when looking at the light its like a million shimmer lines everywhere moving very fast. I think 28 of these fixture multiplied by 25 bulbs would of put someone on the floor with a seizure. I don't know how LED companies can fix this problem, although I found it very very annoying. I think if they can do something about that and make units larger as Peter has said then maybe they can make a bigger push into this hobby. Lets face it, for me to buy 6 of those for my standard 6' 180gallon is too many plugs and power bricks etc. Although I do think these units would be great over nano tanks, where MH can be dangerous with heat in such a small system.

Just wanted to add that :beer:
 
Peter,
i loving the blue face but dont forget to get a pair of orange tail emperor and asfur. i really loved mine before i lose it to extreme ick outbreak but i am planning to have another pair this summer after i let my tank fallow for while.
conspic and scribble will be a nice addition too.

as far as lighting i have metal halide and LED combo but i might to go all leds this summer
 
The angel has stolen a few sponges that were loosely placed in the rocks, and dragged them off to his lair. They didn't appear to be harmed when I rescued them today, just a little shaken up :) I don't know if this is a nesting or feeding practice?

If it were for feeding I don't think he would take several at once for fear of them dying before he could eat them. I would see if he takes the sponges again after you removed them.

Nesting, I really don't know. Most fish won't decorate their dens (with exception to my GSM clown) nor have a reason too. Perhaps he got tired of sleeping on a "water bed" though and wanted something a little bit more springy... :jester:



I know its not anything incredibly fancy but I think the Venustus Angelfish or the Regal angelfish would be great additions
 
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Ive been reading some of this story and tank build and fine it amazing..but im having a hard time finding a finished tank pic,could someone direct me to the finished product..
 
Peter,
i loving the blue face but dont forget to get a pair of orange tail emperor and asfur. i really loved mine before i lose it to extreme ick outbreak but i am planning to have another pair this summer after i let my tank fallow for while.
conspic and scribble will be a nice addition too.

as far as lighting i have metal halide and LED combo but i might to go all leds this summer

I really like angels and Peter's tank is one of the few where they can swim like a fish. Peter is modeling his coral selection after Chingchai's SPS reef, so there won't be an LPS devil tempting the angel.

Scribble angels and species of the centropyge and genacanthus genera are my favourites, but the bigger varieties like regal, majestic, queen, and king are all truly spectacular.
 
Ive been reading some of this story and tank build and fine it amazing..but im having a hard time finding a finished tank pic,could someone direct me to the finished product..

It's a hard tank to photograph due to the L shape and size. I took some pics with a 10-20mm wide angle lens. They are somewhere around page 189.

We will update the full tank shots soon when the lighting is in place.
 
LED lighting is advancing as a type, but it isn't quite there yet. We couldn't find an LED solution that was a perfect fit for the tank, so we went with metal halide from Aqua-Medic. I'm currently working with the manufacturer of the Orphek LED light to fine tune the optics and add some dimming features, but these developments take time. I will have some new optical lenses later in the week for the Orphek fixture I have. It is the brightest and widest spectrum LED on the market, but it lacks in the control department and with the current 90˚ optics it is too bright in the centre of the lighted area, a victim of its own success. The white LED is 16,000K with a 14,000K available soon. This is substantially higher than the 7,000K white light used in most LED fixtures.

Dimming is difficult with LED, as the spectrum can shift and compromise the CRI and PUR value of the light. An alternative option is to use more drivers and timers so just a few white LEDs come on for dawn and dusk simulation. True dimming is better because it allows you to change the look of the lighting without losing part of the spectrum. There is a patent in place for LED control that is slowing the development of aquarium lighting.

There are a lot of metal halide lights on the market that are fancier and certainly more expensive than the Aqua-Medic fixture we picked, but none that I would deem better. I have used Giesemann fixtures that are very similar and almost twice the cost, but I found the magnetic ballasts to be noisy and they don't offer energy efficient electronic ballasts. Sfiligoi and a few other companies make some nice looking high end MHL fixtures, but none of them offer a 6' fixture with 4 x 250 watt HQI lights. Aqua-Medic has discontinued the 4 x 250w fixture, but they were kind enough to find two refurbished units in their warehouse. I spoke to Thomas (the new president of Aqua-Medic USA) about putting the option back into their line and he said he would do so if there was a demand.

We tried Aqualine Buschke 20,000K bulbs in the fixture and it was too blue and eerie looking. It currently has 14,000K Phoenix bulbs, it is still a little too blue. The plan is to go with Aqualine Buschke 13,000K bulbs in the three fixtures for a total of 12 x 250w. We may mix in a few of the bluer Phoenix bulbs for variety. Having 24' of reef with uniform lighting may be less natural looking than some variation.

In summary, the Aqua-Medic fixture worked out to be the best practice for the following reasons...

1) Cost effective initial cost. Some of the LED options would have taken years to pay off with energy savings. We will have the cost and inconvenience of annual bulb replacement, but it's still a cheaper option in the long run. We have piece of mind that it will not have PCB (printed circuit board) corrosion or overheating issues that shorten the life of some LED lights.
2) Low profile for maximized access to the tank for servicing.
3) Electronic dual ballasts for energy savings, silent operation, and less clutter. These have proven to be a very reliable product over the years I have used them. Electronic ballasts from other manufacturers have proven to be hit and miss.
4) Over-heating has not been an issue with Peter's tank. The fixture we have in place now is mounted just below the cooling exhaust duct and it acts as a heat sink. The radiant heat hits the metal duct and gets cooled by the passing air.
5) Compact reflectors. While many people like oversized reflectors, I find that the block access to the tank and cast too much light on the viewing panels and sand where there are no corals. With the Phoenix bulbs, we have 150 PAR at the centre of the tank substrate, and a close 125 at the viewing panels. There isn't much of a drop off or hot spot even with the fixture mounted close to the surface of the water. Oversized reflectors wouldn't fit in the area we have to work with and they don't allow any room for T5 actinics to be mounted in the same fixture.
6) Tempered quartz glass lenses that can be cleaned regularly. This is an area that is grossly overlooked by most hobbyists. Why pay top dollar for lighting upgrades and new bulbs, only to lose much of the light through salty glass. Peter's tank is acrylic so we also need to keep the acrylic top clean and clear.
7) There are no fans to fail, make noise, or collect dust.
8) Product reliability. I have used Aqua-Medic fixtures for over ten years, and they have been on the market with the current design for quite a bit longer. Replacement parts can be purchased locally or from Aqua-Medic USA in Colorado.
9) There are only three plugs on each fixture, one for the 4 x 39 watt actinic T5, and one for each dual HQI ballast. We can locate the 6 ballasts remotely to keep the tank cool and keep the electrical equipment safe and dry. It doesn't offer the dimming features we were hoping for, but the only company that has MHL dimming control with dawn & dusk etc. is Sfiligoi and they are $1,000.00 each, they only do one bulb, so we need 12 of them, and they are plagued with reliability issues. We will have the actinic and MHL lights come on from one end of the tank to the other, on offset timers, for a sunrise-sunset effect. The 6 HML ballasts give us 6 zones.
10) The Aqua-Medic fixtures offer natural looking light with calming shimmer. The tank lit by the light is bright and very uniform. The sand is a touch blue, but we have lots of HQI bulb options to choose from.
11) Versatility. If a new dimmable metal halide ballast comes along in the near or distant future, we can just plug it in. If more efficient MHL bulbs come out, we are ready, I just hope they are double ended HQI :) Osram's ceramic HCI Powerball MHL look promising. They just need to come out with some higher colour temperature models. LED technology has raised the bar for lighting solutions. Now it is time for MHL to play catch up.

One area where the Aqua-Medic fixture is lacking is moonlight. We will add some blue PAR38 spotlights or change the onboard T5 ballasts for dimming ballasts and run the lunar cycle through the profilux controller. We currently have dimmable ATI T5 actinics in our fixture, but we don't have a ballast that dims yet.
 
I really like angels and Peter's tank is one of the few where they can swim like a fish. Peter is modeling his coral selection after Chingchai's SPS reef, so there won't be an LPS devil tempting the angel.

Scribble angels and species of the centropyge and genacanthus genera are my favourites, but the bigger varieties like regal, majestic, queen, and king are all truly spectacular.

King angel is very beautiful but very mean
It killed my number 3 large emperor angel!
 
I am still reading your entire thread but I just wanted to say a few things.

Your tank is a work of art and you are an artist, a living gallery. I come home after work open a nice IPA (Your a wine drinker, personally I enjoy beer) play some music and just read through every last post. Im slowly making my way up and looking foward to more.

Thank you for sharing this part of your life with us.
 
Correction: I don't know where I got the idea that the ATI T5 bulbs I bought were any more "dimmable" than any other T5 bulb on the market. It appears that you can dim any T5 bulb, but I did hear that they shouldn't be run at low power for extended periods of time, I don't know why, perhaps shortened bulb life.
 
The plan is to go with Aqualine Buschke 13,000K bulbs in the three fixtures for a total of 12 x 250w..

These are what I run and I would warn you the light they produce is very white. Personally I love them and I think they are very natural looking and also very colour revealing (as in the proper colour of the corals). However if you are looking for some blue that the 13K might indicate, you'll likely be disappointed.
 
I am still reading your entire thread but I just wanted to say a few things.

Your tank is a work of art and you are an artist, a living gallery. I come home after work open a nice IPA (Your a wine drinker, personally I enjoy beer) play some music and just read through every last post. Im slowly making my way up and looking foward to more.

Thank you for sharing this part of your life with us.

In spite of a propensity for beer sir, you are a gentleman. We in the community applaud and welcome you to our modest group. I can tell you that the chapters to date are but a prelude to the main event which I promise will hopefully continue to delight while educating without compromise. Thats the thing about best practices......status quo is never an option unless of course it has anything to do with water quality or temperature.

Thanks JnA Design, as you can see we also have fun in this thread.

Peter
 
These are what I run and I would warn you the light they produce is very white. Personally I love them and I think they are very natural looking and also very colour revealing (as in the proper colour of the corals). However if you are looking for some blue that the 13K might indicate, you'll likely be disappointed.

Thank you for that. I'm hoping Mr. Wilson reads this because we will be discussing this post when next we meet !!!!

Peter
 
You are on my wish list to meet one day and have a look at your setup. Mr Wilson I would also like to meet there. Taiwan also in the wish list to meet the master Kake. I have to make my way to Lisbon, Porugal to see the coral materinty of de Soussa. I met the King Kong of reefkeepers already, Chingchai. That was in March this year.
 
peter love the blue faced angel.hell be an eating machine,i imagine youve got that covered.
there is sponges that grow in the dark and need no light to very little light to grow.
this might be something to look into as a food supplement for the blue faced angel.

vic
 
peter love the blue faced angel.hell be an eating machine,i imagine youve got that covered.
there is sponges that grow in the dark and need no light to very little light to grow.
this might be something to look into as a food supplement for the blue faced angel.

vic

Thanks Vic, the angel has certainly become somewhat of a celebrity in the tank!!! AND a hungry one at that.

I was trying to respond to your pm when my IPad decided to send the message before I had completed it. So here it is......... All of the dead live rock is gone. I do have some rock (live rock) that I have been keeping in the Wilson Bars complete with coralline that Mr. Wilson has suggested we don't need. I have promised some to Ken but I believe I will probably have some more left after that. If you are ready for some PM me again and I will suggest a plan.....

Peter
 
You are on my wish list to meet one day and have a look at your setup. Mr Wilson I would also like to meet there. Taiwan also in the wish list to meet the master Kake. I have to make my way to Lisbon, Porugal to see the coral materinty of de Soussa. I met the King Kong of reefkeepers already, Chingchai. That was in March this year.

If you find yourself in my neighbourhood you are more than welcome to a tour and I suspect a visit with Mr. Wilson.
 
Brilliant work Mr Wilson and Chago and team (sorry I don't have all the names as I'm bad with names and there have been so many pages I've poured through I think my eyes have gone square). Only person I'm going to criticize is Nineball, because he's slacking on the pictures. :P You now have the burden of being a WORLD CLASS build!

I've learned a lot from this thread and if any of you want an apprentice I'll do anything short of licking he skimmer clean just to be able to learn and shake your hands.

I'm dying to find out how system maintenance is going to work out and will be following this thread almost daily. This system is worthy of it's own website (I can help with servers if you ever go that path).

Another thread reminded me of the only thing I may be able to suggest as a _possible_ best practice. Since the sun travels across the sky during the day, have you considered using light movers? Not only would it in theory reduce the # of lights you need over the tank but it would also help reduce shaded areas on the coral and potentially create a more natural environment....
 
Correction: I don't know where I got the idea that the ATI T5 bulbs I bought were any more "dimmable" than any other T5 bulb on the market. It appears that you can dim any T5 bulb, but I did hear that they shouldn't be run at low power for extended periods of time, I don't know why, perhaps shortened bulb life.

IMHO, it's real world experience vs theoretical. It's nice to assume that things run at 100% but we all know that it doesn't ;).

What generally reduces bulb lifespan is the "vacuum" loss/O2 infiltration/filament/gas impurities and eventually Hg oxidation deposits at the ends, which in essence means less Hg gas/"dirty filament" to excite for UV emission for phosphor excitation.

Dimming of bulbs just means that there is less current available to the filament to excite the Hg gas in the bulb envelope. Taking into account of aforementioned real world physicalities, what I remember in my spectrometry courses (I have the txt but not enough time to double check and reference), the sputtering effect (dimmed vs 100%) is what causes the low life span of dimmed bulbs.

I'm sure that they can make a more "ideal" bulb but it's not going to be cost effective for the aquarium industry.

JM2C
 
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