Coral Tank from Canada (1350gal Display Tank)

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Peter. Thank you.
Your tank will definitely be better than mine.;)

Theoretically Chingchai that's impossible. You defined the style, my job is simply to get you to agree that I have been successful in emulating it. I can't do better than you for that would imply a different style. You are the ideal so you are just going to have to sit back and bask in the limelight. This cannot be a competition my friend for you have already won it and deservedly so!


By the way, your latest update is awesome. You owe me another high def picture for my desktop. I'll be checking.

Peter
 
Wow, lots of info here regarding aquascaping. Lovin' it nineball. Shooting for 2011 as the year of the elephant.

So cool Bigjoe, now you will appreciate the monumental task I have in adopting Chingchai's style for the island in my tank. I have to get the "cloud mountain" in half the height. The best example I have been able to find is in Mafia's tank also from Thailand. The height of his tank is the same as mine so its a place to start. He too took pics of the aquascape so it will be helpful to appreciate the underlying architecture, I hope.

Again welcome to the group.

Peter
 
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You've got my vote Peter. Question? How are you planning to secure the rock-scape together? I've seen people several drill the rock and use acryilic rods? I was lucky enough when I got my rock from a Tonga shipment to have several large pieces, the biggest weighed about 40 pounds. They were old coral heads that had a table top with the thick stem still on the bottom so on a few of these I attached other rocks to the bottom so it was free standing and looks very natural. Unfortunately I had to do things quickly because I was transferring the old tank's contents into the new reef a section at a time and had a strict time schedule I was working against. Anyway for the most part just I drilled the rocks and zip-tied them together which worked pretty well but I know there are betters ways to do the aquascape. I made several crevasses but I didn't leave the space between them big enough and they are now mostly overgrown with corals & now wish I had set them farther apart to begin with. Please keep in mind that with a little time your aquascape will turn into a coralscape and should be arranged accordingly. Just curious what your plans are. Sorry if this was already addressed & I somehow missed it.
 
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Paul, what do you mean??? Nine Slope ????

Sorry I'm confused...

Peter:bigeyes:

Hey Peter ... my apology ... was having a "brain fart" at that moment and came up with a "smart aleck" name for your up coming liverock design .... :p therefore the name "Nine Slopes" .... do ignore the confusion :sad2:.

BTW ... have you heard about a new Salt Mix from ESV called Bi-Ionic Seawater System?

Paul
 
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You've got my vote Peter. Question? How are you planning to secure the rock-scape together? I've seen people several drill the rock and use acryilic rods? I was lucky enough when I got my rock from a Tonga shipment to have several large pieces, the biggest weighed about 40 pounds. They were old coral heads that had a table top with the thick stem still on the bottom so on a few of these I attached other rocks to the bottom so it was free standing and looks very natural. Unfortunately I had to do things quickly because I was transferring the old tank's contents into the new reef a section at a time and had a strict time schedule I was working against. Anyway for the most part just I drilled the rocks and zip-tied them together which worked pretty well but I know there are betters ways to do the aquascape. I made several crevasses but I didn't leave the space between them big enough and they are now mostly overgrown with corals & now wish I had set them farther apart to begin with. Please keep in mind that with a little time your aquascape will turn into a coralscape and should be arranged accordingly. Just curious what your plans are. Sorry if this was already addressed & I somehow missed it.

Greg, thank you very much for the encouragement. I have a few approaches planned from material I have gathered in this thread as well as others. First I think, even with the reservations I have noted from others I will use egg crate to secure the basic structure on the bottom. One way or another I will get the flow that the tank needs so stability must be assured at the outset.


I am going to try and drill plugs as much as I can for securing the coral as I have a specific philosophy regarding coral placement and rotation (more on this later).

Since my tank is only 36 inches deep and 30 inches high my plan is to create a layout that respects the anticipated coral growth and avoids the sides by as much margin as possible. Chingchai, to his credit, suggested at the outset that the depth should be 48 in. Unfortunately the specs had already gone to ATM so I could not correct that.

One huge element that I had planned for and have since got a glimpse of the wisdom of that decision was to lay out the tank in such a way that there would not be a back or front per se. With very careful planning and execution I will have a total of 50 feet of sea scape. That means paying very close attention to all sides of the live rock formation. Two of the four styles I expect to see are the 'cloud mountain' and the 'canyon' architectures. If you imagine standing on the outside of the short arm of the L you have 8 feet of tank to work with. Imagine 6 feet of space on the left side allocated to the cloud mountain formation very similar to the layout of Mafia's tank on this thread. The distinctive character of the canyon style is a sense of depth that feels like it goes on forever. So I'm planning to take advantage of the 16 feet of depth to create a long winding canyon from the perspective of the right hand side of that 8 ft section. Fortunately the branch rock will give me ample opportunity to gain height without excessive mass and still offer stability due to the weight. I plan to use the same underwater compound that Chingchai used to secure the live rock formation. It will take time to get it right but I have learned from Chingchai and others that its truly worth it in the long run. I do have some interesting rock pieces that would have great appeal even if I left them bare (which I will not do;)).

My wife has taught me a considerable number of lessons with her gardening skill. Patience, patience, patience. Instant gardens are great for trade shows but in the real world mature gardens take time and a lot of nurturing (unless you are Chingchai):wave:. Planning for growth takes skill and a practiced eye which I do not have.....yet!! But this group does so I am hoping for a combination of insight from you folks with a determination on my part to learn and grow from this to be able to 'garden' more and more on my own.

To get a head start I may collaborate with Chingchai's access to the Aqua farmed products for a shipment to give me a good start.

much, much more on this later..........

Peter
 
this thread's title reads 1350gal, but based on the dimensions, I come up with 1177gal. Have I missed something:sad2:

Thanks for checking that out. I don't know why the difference other than my sloppy math or the difference between imperial and us measurements.......maybe, I dont know.

If this is your first post on Reef Central we are honoured to have you join us. We can always use someone with great math skills.......:reading:

Peter
 

Hey Peter ... my apology ... was having a "brain fart" at that moment and came up with a "smart aleck" name for your up coming liverock design .... :p therefore the name "Nine Slopes" .... do ignore the confusion :sad2:.

BTW ... have you heard about a new Salt Mix from ESV called Bi-Ionic Seawater System?

Paul

No I am not familiar with ESV Paul, someone with Mr. Wilson's DNA sent me a number of research papers on salt quality and manufacturers that left me afraid of table salt for all the things that could go wrong. I will be raising the question soon and hopefully get a straight forward recommendation.

Nine slopes........not bad, it definitely has possibilities.

Peter
 
No I am not familiar with ESV Paul, someone with Mr. Wilson's DNA sent me a number of research papers on salt quality and manufacturers that left me afraid of table salt for all the things that could go wrong. I will be raising the question soon and hopefully get a straight forward recommendation.

Nine slopes........not bad, it definitely has possibilities.

Peter

yeah, I knew you weren't ready for Dr. Ronald Shimek's paper on the toxicity of aquariums salts. It looks like someone wanted to torture you. You're lucky no one has sent you links to threads about tank wipeouts caused by marine epoxy rock adhesive like the stuff you are planning on using :)
 
yeah, I knew you weren't ready for Dr. Ronald Shimek's paper on the toxicity of aquariums salts. It looks like someone wanted to torture you. You're lucky no one has sent you links to threads about tank wipeouts caused by marine epoxy rock adhesive like the stuff you are planning on using :)

Knowing that there is always evil on the other side of every equation in this domain I am relying on the phenomenal results Chingchai has had with the product he chose for this purpose.

Peter
 
Greg, thank you very much for the encouragement. I have a few approaches planned from material I have gathered in this thread as well as others. First I think, even with the reservations I have noted from others I will use egg crate to secure the basic structure on the bottom. One way or another I will get the flow that the tank needs so stability must be assured at the outset.


I am going to try and drill plugs as much as I can for securing the coral as I have a specific philosophy regarding coral placement and rotation (more on this later).

Since my tank is only 36 inches deep and 30 inches high my plan is to create a layout that respects the anticipated coral growth and avoids the sides by as much margin as possible. Chingchai, to his credit, suggested at the outset that the depth should be 48 in. Unfortunately the specs had already gone to ATM so I could not correct that.

One huge element that I had planned for and have since got a glimpse of the wisdom of that decision was to lay out the tank in such a way that there would not be a back or front per se. With very careful planning and execution I will have a total of 50 feet of sea scape. That means paying very close attention to all sides of the live rock formation. Two of the four styles I expect to see are the 'cloud mountain' and the 'canyon' architectures. If you imagine standing on the outside of the short arm of the L you have 8 feet of tank to work with. Imagine 6 feet of space on the left side allocated to the cloud mountain formation very similar to the layout of Mafia's tank on this thread. The distinctive character of the canyon style is a sense of depth that feels like it goes on forever. So I'm planning to take advantage of the 16 feet of depth to create a long winding canyon from the perspective of the right hand side of that 8 ft section. Fortunately the branch rock will give me ample opportunity to gain height without excessive mass and still offer stability due to the weight. I plan to use the same underwater compound that Chingchai used to secure the live rock formation. It will take time to get it right but I have learned from Chingchai and others that its truly worth it in the long run. I do have some interesting rock pieces that would have great appeal even if I left them bare (which I will not do;)).

My wife has taught me a considerable number of lessons with her gardening skill. Patience, patience, patience. Instant gardens are great for trade shows but in the real world mature gardens take time and a lot of nurturing (unless you are Chingchai):wave:. Planning for growth takes skill and a practiced eye which I do not have.....yet!! But this group does so I am hoping for a combination of insight from you folks with a determination on my part to learn and grow from this to be able to 'garden' more and more on my own.

To get a head start I may collaborate with Chingchai's access to the Aqua farmed products for a shipment to give me a good start.

much, much more on this later..........

Peter

It sounds like you have a great plan and are modelling the right people for your success.
 
That's it! I'm canceling my subscription unless you find a way to get the 173 Gallons back. ...And plumbing doesn't count!!!

:lolspin:

No look really........its the difference between Imperial and US measures......

You can clearly see the difference in this 100 lb puppy using the imperial weights and measures system. :dance:

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Peter
 
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