Cryptocaryon Irritans - tank transfer method

[HumbleFish]

Sick as a dog right now. It took me nearly two hours to do TT this morning (I can normally do everything in less than half that time). But ich's life cycle waits for no man and when it comes to TT, the show must go on! :headwally:

 

[snorvich]

Sick as a dog right now. It took me nearly two hours to do TT this morning (I can normally do everything in less than half that time). But ich's life cycle waits for no man and when it comes to TT, the show must go on! :headwally:

I am sure there are many good vets in your area. :beer:

 

[HumbleFish]

I am sure there are many good vets in your area. :beer:

 

[Nina51]

sorry you aren't feeling well. you might wanna go to the lounge and get some good laughs. unless it hurts to laugh and then i wouldn't advise it.

feel better soon!

 

[HumbleFish]

sorry you aren't feeling well. you might wanna go to the lounge and get some good laughs. unless it hurts to laugh and then i wouldn't advise it.

feel better soon!

Thanks Nina

 

[Sand.man]

Hi guys,

I just wanted to confirm something, although I realize that it's been touched on earlier in the thread, but I would rather confirm with you guys and ask the same question twice, instead of making an assumption by myself.

I currently have a leopard wrasse (ornate) in my QT tank. He has survived a week so far, eating prepared foods, so I have my fingers crossed about him.

My question is that I have a tupperware of sand provided for him, and every day he seems to jump in there around 7-8pm, and then he doesn't come out until the afternoon (around 11-12pm). It's a bit wonky, but that just seems to be his sleep schedule so far.

I want to do a prophylactic tank transfer on him before he jumps into my display, so would it be alright if I did his transfers in the afternoon when he comes out of the sand? realistically around 12-1pm.

Earlier in the thread it was mentioned that one might possibly fish him out by gently pouring out the sand into another container or something, but I'm thinking that the afternoon transfer might be less stressful on him compared to fishing him out in the morning.

I just wanted to confirm that the afternoon tank transfer should be just as effective as the morning one, correct?

Thanks!

 

[Deinonych]

Yes, an afternoon transfer is fine as long as no more than 72 hours pass between transfers. Also, you will need to discard the old sand and provide new sand (use two separate containers) after each transfer.

 

[appellativo]

I would say anytime you are making a change to a known established successful method, you are introducing a factor that could cause failure of the method. The writers of this method said transfer between the hours of 2am-6am for a reason. If it were me, I'd do an extra transfer. why go to all the trouble to do this method and not have guaranteed success by messing with it?

 

[Deinonych]

I would say anytime you are making a change to a known established successful method, you are introducing a factor that could cause failure of the method. The writers of this method said transfer between the hours of 2am-6am for a reason. If it were me, I'd do an extra transfer. why go to all the trouble to do this method and not have guaranteed success by messing with it?

It doesn't have to be between 2 and 6am. I think you are confusing the time of tomite excystment (between 2 and 9am) with the the time required for transfer. As long as no more than 72 hours pass between transfers, the technique works. It doesn't have to be a particular time of the day.

 

[tmz]

I transfer my burying wrasses when they come out of the sand. I don't do any digging. The sand and any web like slime they produce to sleep in could be a harbor for parasites.

 

[Sand.man]

Thanks for your responses.

I ended up transferring my leopard in the afternoon, around 2pm, he was a bit tough to catch and I think in the process I might have transferred a few grains of sand =( lol.

I'll have to be much more careful next time, but overall it wasn't too bad. I didn't have to go digging for him or anything, and he was out swimming an hour after the transfer looking for food, which is a good sign.

Thanks again.

 

[salty joe]

For wrasses, how about using a beach toy sand sieve to hold the sand. When the wrasse is buried, place a piece of acrylic or something over the sieve, pick the sieve up and allow the sand to drop out.

 

[appellativo]

I was not confused

The time of day the developed cysts hatch are also 2am-6am, so you transfer fish as early as possible to give the newly hatched protomont the least amount of time possible to attach to a fish.

 

[snorvich]

I was not confused

The time of day the developed cysts hatch are also 2am-6am, so you transfer fish as early as possible to give the newly hatched protomont the least amount of time possible to attach to a fish.

Yoshinaga and Dickerson (1994) observed, in laboratory studies, that theronts were released only between the hours of 2:00 am and 9:00 am, even in total darkness; some suggest this strategy increases the chance for theronts to find a host, as many fish may be resting or closer to substrate during this time period. This is why I always suggest moving fish during tank transfer quarantine protocols in the morning. However, as long as the 72 hours for a given cycle is not exceeded, there will be no theronts since there would not be time for them to develop. This means that a 2x2x2x2x2x2 is slightly preferred to a 3x3x3x3 if there is any chance of exceeding the 72 hour cycle time.

 

[firemountain]

Just started the TT method for the first time. I have read the sticky, but I have a few questions.

Few pieces of inf....my TT is a 10g tank ( blacked about all the sides except the front), 2 pieces of 90deg. PVC. elbow and a seeded piece of QT foam pad were added to tank for bio., temp 77deg., SG 1.025, airline with a throw away air stone is used.

1. When I brought the clowns home from the LFS, I immediately transferred them to a floating piece of Tupperware for temp acclimation. When I took a SG reading of the LFS water, it was 1.017. Talk about LOW.

Anyway, my TT water, QT, and DT water sits at 1.025. It took me close to a half hour to slowly bring the SG up to closely match my TT water. Was this too long?? Once they finally entered my 10 g Transfer Tank, they looked fine. Swam normally, breathing appeared to be normal, began exploring, no excessive rubbing.

2. How long should I wait before I try and feed them.....a few hours, overnight, day 2 ( when I may add some Prime).

3. I am considering using Prazipro on the 2nd and 4th TT. I heard that Prazipro can cause the fish to loose their appetite. If that is the case, am I better off feeding the fish during the 1st and 3rd TT. Or.....do,I just wait until the fish reach my QT before I dose Prazipro?? Also....what affect will this have on my cycled BB QT with LR and 2 inverts (2 fire shrimp, 1 hermit)?

4. TT started on Sat. Afternoon...so if I am counting right.. Day 4 transfer would be on Wed. morning......correct?? I know it's a bit less than 72 hours, but I am hoping this is OK?

Since this is my first time with this, I just want to make sure everything is in order....esp. since these are the first fish I am adding too my tank since it been established..... minus a few inverts, small CUC and some coral from back in July. Definitely a bit nervous, but do feel confident in this method.

 

[firemountain]

Caught a mistake in my own post....It should be Day 3 transfer...which would bring me to Tuesday.

 

[snorvich]

By the way, it is far easier and better to bring your water down to the LFS or transport water. Long drip acclimation is not a good technique.

 

[firemountain]

my LFS that I buy from exclusively normally keeps their tank water only a few points lower than I what I keep my water at. So I initially thought I was good with acclimation and setting up my first transfer tank. When I got home that day and tested the water, I was surprised how much lower it wound up being from their normal SG level.

Yes....I should have just dumped out half my Transfer Tank water, and filled it with RODI water. Mistake on my part...Next time I am going fish shopping by myself with no distractions from friends and their kids. Lesson learned and luckily my clowns appear to be fine.

 

[fifthtoe]

I try to keep up with this thread but my time is not unlimited. Critical success issues:

+no more than 72 hours in a given transfer cycle, but less is fine
+total of 12 days so 3x3x3x3 or 2x2x2x2x2x2 are equally fine
+ammonia badge to monitor ammonia and prime or equivalent added towards the end of a cycle if doing 3 days
+at least 3 weeks of observation after TT in case fish were obtained from a system which had copper in it
+prazipro x 2 a week apart

Just curious how obtaining fish from a system with copper would affect TTM. I'm currently using this method on a fish and I know the system it was in contained copper.

 

[snorvich]

Just curious how obtaining fish from a system with copper would affect TTM. I'm currently using this method on a fish and I know the system it was in contained copper.

Copper can and will mask certain parasites. As long as you observe for 3 weeks minimum after tank transfer (which is unaffected) you should be fine.