Cryptocaryon Irritans - tank transfer method

Okay, so i started copper tonight because a new fish introduced ich.

Would it be ill advised to switch to trying to do tank transfer instead? or should i just go along with copper since I already started it?

tank transfer is best for eliminating ich. However if you introduced your fish into your display tank, the tank now has ich and all fish must be treated and the tank left fallow
 
FWIW, i did TTM with a purple tang and 5 yellow tangs together in a 30g, twice with the same fish. Even with it that crowded I didn't notice any signs of stress. Everyone ate fine and got along fine.

I have yet to have had a negative experience with fish during TTM.

Have the purple tang in TTM right now. Seems to be doing ok so far, although my first transfer isn't until Sunday. The Hippo tang went back to the LFS after a short course of copper which seemed to clear up it's issues fairly quickly, it was definitely looking healthier after a couple of days copper treatment. That fish just did not react well to being handled and caught every couple of days, every fish is different but in that case I believe copper was the best course of treatment. I agree subjecting fish to low level toxins is not ideal, however almost every LFS does it and the effects of stress on a sensitive species can be far worse IMO.
 
tank transfer is best for eliminating ich. However if you introduced your fish into your display tank, the tank now has ich and all fish must be treated and the tank left fallow

yeah i pulled all the fish already, all that's in the tank is crabs and corals and snails.
 
I have two angles and a cardinal that have been in QT for a month exactly. I did not do the TTM to start, instead I watched regularly for signs of infection. Last week I introduced Prazi, it's been 6 days since. Angels just started showing signs of ich on the caudal fin, no where else yet.

I would like to start the TTM now. Problem with timing is that I will be out of town from Tues afternoon until Wed night, which is day 4. Should I wait until Monday morning to start the transfer? I don't have ready water available but will have some made by tomorrow morning. It doesn't need to be rodi either does it. Just tap with Prime and salt to .025. I should probably let that water "cure" and start the TTM Monday morning. What are my options?

Thanks
 
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I have two angles and a cardinal that have been in QT for a month exactly. I did not do the TTM to start, instead I watched regularly for signs of infection. Last week I introduced Prazi, it's been 6 days since. Angels just started showing signs of ich on the caudal fin, no where else yet.

I would like to start the TTM now. Problem with timing is that I will be out of town from Tues afternoon until Wed night, which is day 4. Should I wait until Monday morning to start the transfer? I don't have ready water available but will have some made by tomorrow morning. I should probably let that water "cure" and start the TTM Monday morning. What are my options?

Thanks

You could either wait, or do the transfer early before you leave on Tuesday arvo. I did one TTM where I had to do almost every change after 48 hours not 72 because of work shifts, just means more hassle and more water, and you have to get the tank drained and dried asap so that it has 24 hours to stay dry.
 
You could either wait, or do the transfer early before you leave on Tuesday arvo. I did one TTM where I had to do almost every change after 48 hours not 72 because of work shifts, just means more hassle and more water, and you have to get the tank drained and dried asap so that it has 24 hours to stay dry.

I'd like to start it asap. I haven't changed the water since putting in the Prazi last week so it needs to be changed, and I think that would help reduce the stress of the fish. If I transfer them tomorrow morning, then again on Tues morning, would I wait until Fri morning to transfer them next?
 
I'd like to start it asap. I haven't changed the water since putting in the Prazi last week so it needs to be changed, and I think that would help reduce the stress of the fish. If I transfer them tomorrow morning, then again on Tues morning, would I wait until Fri morning to transfer them next?

So long as you stay within the 72 hour period during changes then you're fine, the whole process needs to be at least 12 days in length though regardless of how many transfers you do.
So if you transfer them tomorrow morning(Sunday), then Tuesday morning is fine, then Friday morning is fine too, so long as you don't go over 72 hours, so if you transfer them at 10am on Tuesday then make sure the next transfer is before 10am on Friday.
 
Is filter media necessary during the transfers? I wouldn't think 72 hours would produce anything to filter.
 
No, media is not necessary. I do add a little ammonia detoxifier on the second day if I'm feeding a lot just in case. It usally takes a few days for ammonia to form from protein.
 
Going back some posts I read people using RODI water for the TTM. Why would this be necessary?


Opposed to tap water you mean?

Main reason is to give them as close of an environment to your DT as possible, to ease the next transition. Using the same salt mix obviously.

Tap water comes with other risks as well, albeit quite minimal.
 
Opposed to tap water you mean?

Main reason is to give them as close of an environment to your DT as possible, to ease the next transition. Using the same salt mix obviously.

Tap water comes with other risks as well, albeit quite minimal.

Yup as opposed to tap. My water is from a well, so no treatment, chlorine, etc. I do soften it, but nothing that should affect fish adversely.

During the TTM process, which with 20g tanks is essentially 100g+ over 12 days that's a lot of RODI to make. Not that I can't do it, it's just slow and a lot of effort. I will use DT water for the QT after and usually change out about 10g a week with RODI for the QT.

If there were absolute founded reasons for doing it during the TTM (not QT period) I would do it. Just wondering if there were reasons beyond consistency. Also, I get the remove every variable and keep the water as pure as possible approach. I just don't know if that's founded by necessity or fear of the unknown because the tap water hasn't been tested.
 
Yup as opposed to tap. My water is from a well, so no treatment, chlorine, etc. I do soften it, but nothing that should affect fish adversely.

During the TTM process, which with 20g tanks is essentially 100g+ over 12 days that's a lot of RODI to make. Not that I can't do it, it's just slow and a lot of effort. I will use DT water for the QT after and usually change out about 10g a week with RODI for the QT.

If there were absolute founded reasons for doing it during the TTM (not QT period) I would do it. Just wondering if there were reasons beyond consistency. Also, I get the remove every variable and keep the water as pure as possible approach. I just don't know if that's founded by necessity or fear of the unknown because the tap water hasn't been tested.

Do you want to introduce uncontrolled variables into your process? By the way, the 20 gallon tank need not be full.
 
Using water from the display tank brings in organics ,etc, without the benthic (surface dwelling) bacteria to process it. IME, this often results in quick ammonia spikes in the uncyled transfer tanks vs newly mixed salt water aged overnight.
 
Using water from the display tank brings in organics ,etc, without the benthic (surface dwelling) bacteria to process it. IME, this often results in quick ammonia spikes in the uncyled transfer tanks vs newly mixed salt water aged overnight.

If sponge filter media has been in the DT sump for weeks, and that is used in the filter for the QT, there is bacteria available. I've done this with my QT many times without any signs of ammonia.
 
Well, then you are using cycled tt tank which is an important distinction.
 
It's been discussed that 24 hours is recommended to dry equipment without risk to carrying ich. That got me thinking. If you've been handling a tank with fish that have ich (hands in the water, on the fish, cleaning the tank, etc) does a person need to wait 24 hours before putting their hands in the new tank water, or in their DT for that matter?
 
It's been discussed that 24 hours is recommended to dry equipment without risk to carrying ich. That got me thinking. If you've been handling a tank with fish that have ich (hands in the water, on the fish, cleaning the tank, etc) does a person need to wait 24 hours before putting their hands in the new tank water, or in their DT for that matter?

Well probably not because you are washing your hands. But good point, I always clean all my equipment in bleach and let it soak for a few hours, so do I really need the 24 hour dry period? I do it anyway but only because I tend to clean the tank straight after transferring the fish.
 
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