brandon429
Well-known member
so they dump 64 oz's of kalk all at once into the tank like that peroxide od did?
dino experiment
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Herbie
Yep,that one
+1 to this.
Even in my 34 gal. nano tank, I am toping off with more than 190ml of fully saturated kalk water (over the coarse of a 24 hour period, not all at once) to to keep up with evap.
Herbie
brandon429
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my statement was regarding 190 mls per ten gallons...I thought we had deduced that off the 64 ozs all at once into the 100g tank Disc
I was guessing at the outcomes of 64 oz placed all at once, especially in the afternoon, into a tank as an accident...
I was guessing at the outcomes of 64 oz placed all at once, especially in the afternoon, into a tank as an accident...
Herbie
Yep,that one
disc1
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Yes, 64oz into 100ga is 190mL per 10ga.
My math was also for 190mL per 10ga. Like I said, if done all at once that would be a big pH spike and maybe a snowstorm, but I've seen plenty of tanks make it through bigger kalk overdoses than that.
brandon429
Well-known member
ok thanks for the reminder
I'll be concise. as I'm really tired of the peroxide shuffle.
Peroxide klls ;it burns organics up . Just a little will drop certain organisms in their tracks. It often doesn't kill the target either. There is no way to claim it doesn't harm this or that most of which is unseen. 35% peroxide on your skin ,really. I'll take disc's take on that and most chemical reactions.
It's dangerous to a reef tank . If you choose to use it be careful and know you have killed something you didn't mean to , even if you didn't see it.
Peroxide klls ;it burns organics up . Just a little will drop certain organisms in their tracks. It often doesn't kill the target either. There is no way to claim it doesn't harm this or that most of which is unseen. 35% peroxide on your skin ,really. I'll take disc's take on that and most chemical reactions.
It's dangerous to a reef tank . If you choose to use it be careful and know you have killed something you didn't mean to , even if you didn't see it.
brandon429
Well-known member
thats a fair assessment. the chem forum is great about reaffirming safety and the thread in the nanos forum is great for custom approaches and for times that it worked for many, a decent balance.
It often doesn't kill the target either can be said of all algae control methods or we would all use the same method. its a carousel of what works and what doesnt...that statement also describes CUC animals imo
It often doesn't kill the target either can be said of all algae control methods or we would all use the same method. its a carousel of what works and what doesnt...that statement also describes CUC animals imo
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brandon429
Well-known member
control of collateral losses against the list of known sensitives is what makes me comfortable in recommending the option. i know you had poor experiences Tom, I just mean in the thread we didnt have any.
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Beenalongtime79
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As great as it is that you seem to be virus proof because of the hydrogen peroxide, I think it is my duty as a doc to advise you to not drink dilute hydrogen peroxide. It is highly oxidative and since things that oxidize generally cause cellular and damage to DNA, I would avoid it as long term use of oxygen radicals can lead to very, very bad things like cancer, cellular death, etc. I mean that is why we are using this stuff... to kill unicellular organisms, so probably can't be good to drink long term...
Read up on oxygen associated pulmonary toxicity. Long term elevated oxygen levels in your lungs can cause significant damage. Hydrogen peroxide is many measures worse!
Cheers,
John
I couldn't in good conscience let that one slide, but it is your life.
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Kieth71
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How long did you end up dosing the algae x for?
Skynyrd Fish
Member
Thanks for the heads up John. I wouldn't say virus proof, but if I feel a cold coming on 2 glasses a day seemed to prevent a good cold/infection. I'm going to read up on what you said.
Back to the dino's, day 2 of adding kalk. It looks better. A couple of my sps seem to be affected worse than the rest of my tank. I also adjusted the skimmer wetter.
Back to the dino's, day 2 of adding kalk. It looks better. A couple of my sps seem to be affected worse than the rest of my tank. I also adjusted the skimmer wetter.
I looked thru alot of this thread, apologize if this has been offered as a potential solution, but after reading some anecdotal reports of some dinoflagellate infestations treated with cuprisorb, I stuck some in my mechanical filter for a week and voila--dinos gone! Mine initial infestation also coincided with ALK issues in the tank after removing a sand bed, anyway, there are some scholarly articles on dinoflagellates and copper etc, that are easily accessible online as well.. GLTA!
Mark
(to be explicit, stabilization and maintenance of ALK at healthy levels is paramount to success here, copper removing compounds as an adjunct)
Mark
(to be explicit, stabilization and maintenance of ALK at healthy levels is paramount to success here, copper removing compounds as an adjunct)
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JustinGr
Clown Pimp
I ordered my bottle of Algae X last night.
It will be here Tuesday. I have been battling Dino for 3 months, and nothing has helped.
I will take pics on this journey and will offer my take as an experiment if others want to make helpful suggestions on a solid plan of attack.
I will record all parameters of the water that I can when I start and throughout the process if you would find it helpful.
Justin
It will be here Tuesday. I have been battling Dino for 3 months, and nothing has helped.
I will take pics on this journey and will offer my take as an experiment if others want to make helpful suggestions on a solid plan of attack.
I will record all parameters of the water that I can when I start and throughout the process if you would find it helpful.
Justin
Wanted to correct the obvious error in my above quote--cuprisorb is thought to work by incidental removal of iron from reef tanks (as opposed to copper) http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/images/smilies/headwally.gif:headwally:
Iron is a critical element for most algaes. Cuprisorb is readily available, and to my knowledge 'safe' for reef tanks...
Herbie
Yep,that one
LOL, my bottle of Algea X will be in my hands Tuesday as well. I just dont think I will need it after all. My dino problem is miraculously gone now. Just a little bit of peroxide and increased kalk dosing..........gone.
Good luck with you plan of attack.
Anybody want to buy a bottle of Algea X, lol.
Herbie
Interesting, Mark
Cuprisorb removes a number of "heavy metals", ie toxic metals , including copper. I never heard of it working against dinoflagellates but it might . I suspect more from the organics than free metals supports the dinos though. GAC would be high on my list along with higher alk. Do you have details of your results.
Cuprisorb removes a number of "heavy metals", ie toxic metals , including copper. I never heard of it working against dinoflagellates but it might . I suspect more from the organics than free metals supports the dinos though. GAC would be high on my list along with higher alk. Do you have details of your results.
Skynyrd Fish
Member
Day 4 of kalk. green algae is back on the glass. Mt. Dew color, and came on fast. Dino's not looking so good. They seem to be fading. Im going to continue with my little test run. cyano still kicking. I Mix a gallon of kalk wait 10 minutes and pour in half. twice a day. Small ph spikes. i don't have a good test kit but its in the mail with my algae x.
Cacium 420
dkh 12
PO4 .06
temp 78
Ive been slowly bringing up specific gravity from 1.022 to 1.025.
Cacium 420
dkh 12
PO4 .06
temp 78
Ive been slowly bringing up specific gravity from 1.022 to 1.025.
TMZ,
In short, my dino manifestation was dramatic and coincided with an ALK drop after removing my sand bed in sections. I had fallen off my normal weekly chemistry checks after a crazy work schedule, but I was fooled in that my reef 'otherwise' looked great. I suspect because the drop in ALK was gradual over time, my reef was still thriving-- mixed LPS and SPS, heavily stocked with otherwise pristine parameters besides (ALK 5/CA 500) Running a BK 160 on a 55 g tank my tank is on the nutrient poor side with no other incidental algae, ran carbon, did large water changes to no
avail, raised MG to 1800...I started doing internet searches on dinos and found several anecdotal reports and some threads related to the success of the cuprisorb. My dino infestation was fixed after a week of running 2 bags thru a phosban reactor. My ALK returned to normal parameters (dkh 9) 2 weeks later. I did not shorten my 10 hour light cycle (5 54 watt t5). From a treatment 'risk' perspective, there was not much, another reason it may make sense to consider. thanks
Mark
In short, my dino manifestation was dramatic and coincided with an ALK drop after removing my sand bed in sections. I had fallen off my normal weekly chemistry checks after a crazy work schedule, but I was fooled in that my reef 'otherwise' looked great. I suspect because the drop in ALK was gradual over time, my reef was still thriving-- mixed LPS and SPS, heavily stocked with otherwise pristine parameters besides (ALK 5/CA 500) Running a BK 160 on a 55 g tank my tank is on the nutrient poor side with no other incidental algae, ran carbon, did large water changes to no
avail, raised MG to 1800...I started doing internet searches on dinos and found several anecdotal reports and some threads related to the success of the cuprisorb. My dino infestation was fixed after a week of running 2 bags thru a phosban reactor. My ALK returned to normal parameters (dkh 9) 2 weeks later. I did not shorten my 10 hour light cycle (5 54 watt t5). From a treatment 'risk' perspective, there was not much, another reason it may make sense to consider. thanks
Mark
EddieJ
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No Dice
No Dice
Well, after the 3 day blackout combined with dosing Peroxide at 2ml/10 gallons 2 times a day, victory has not been reached. I was dosing peroxide for a total of 6 days. Since it appears it didn't really hit its target I am going to stop. Bubbles were forming on the sand within a couple hours of lights on. So now it's time to line up the next attack. Those who have used the kalk slurry to raise and hold PH at 8.4 have you monitored your ALK during this time? How much does it raise it? I run my tank stable at 7.7 to 8 and don't want to swing that up too high. I was thinking 5 day lights out and bump the PH up with the kalk during that time.
No Dice
Well, after the 3 day blackout combined with dosing Peroxide at 2ml/10 gallons 2 times a day, victory has not been reached. I was dosing peroxide for a total of 6 days. Since it appears it didn't really hit its target I am going to stop. Bubbles were forming on the sand within a couple hours of lights on. So now it's time to line up the next attack. Those who have used the kalk slurry to raise and hold PH at 8.4 have you monitored your ALK during this time? How much does it raise it? I run my tank stable at 7.7 to 8 and don't want to swing that up too high. I was thinking 5 day lights out and bump the PH up with the kalk during that time.
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