Billybatz9
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Did pods die using the dino x? Did your microfauna survive?
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Did pods die using the dino x? Did your microfauna survive?
Quiet_Ivy
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Probably, yeah. With a big element of 'bad luck', since many people seem to start with dead rock and have no problems. I wouldn't even say it was 'bad' live rock.
Your story about trying to get rid of algae and winding up with something worse is repeated many times in this thread.
Ivy (I started with 100% dry rock and sand, probably imported dinos on a coral frag. I did dip everything but that wouldn't kill spores. )
Quiet_Ivy
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Quiet_Ivy
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I completely agree. Dry 'formerly live' rock has the same disadvantages as man-made.
karimwassef
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Hmmm. Looks like a little live rock is potentially the dangerous seed point. That's exactly what I did...
The artificial or dead rock may need to cure with a large enough collection of rich live rock.
The artificial or dead rock may need to cure with a large enough collection of rich live rock.
bheron
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Probably, yeah. With a big element of 'bad luck', since many people seem to start with dead rock and have no problems. I wouldn't even say it was 'bad' live rock.
Your story about trying to get rid of algae and winding up with something worse is repeated many times in this thread.
Ivy (I started with 100% dry rock and sand, probably imported dinos on a coral frag. I did dip everything but that wouldn't kill spores. )
Yep. My piece of LR came from a very well know successful and respected LFS owner in our area. He doesn't even sell the LR but I coerced him into giving me a piece to help diversify the live in my tank. At that point my tank had been cycling for maybe 6 months and had experienced various algae blooms. Had lots of pods and worms and other life. But probbably not enough. Within a few days of adding the single piece of LR it started to get a fuzzy film on it. Then all of my other rock got it. And more algae. So I started an all out war of water changes and GFO. Wow was that a bad move. End result was a Dino problem AGAIN!
As I've said before that may have been it for me in this hobby after 13 years. Until I found this thread.
For me I seem to be winning the war. Dino's knocked down to just some brown leftover matter on some rocks. I'm adding more fish while continuing to over feed. No water changes or skimming. More fish are in QT waiting. Pod population seems to be thriving in my fuge. I feed them every night like they're fish. And next week have a big order from Indo Pacific Sea Farms: lots of snails and more worms.
bheron
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Yep perfect. Sounds like the right plan. I have a lofty goal to scour this thread and come up with a list of different approaches and things learned. Goal,would be to have a summary of the different strategies and learnings for others who have or surely will be running into this.
Mikefromaz
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Hey all... Haven't posted this thread for a bit. I'm just wondering who has tried dosing hydrogen peroxide for dinos and some comments on the results. Thanks!
karimwassef
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I did and it worked, but I dosed in the sump at night. It was good, but not enough. I needed to go to UV to get the most benefit.
Peroxide kills them, but you still need skimming or other actions to remove their dead tissue or else the living will eat the dead and come back.
Peroxide kills them, but you still need skimming or other actions to remove their dead tissue or else the living will eat the dead and come back.
So I just did a water change a week ago because I haven't seen the Dino's since early August. Now I'm seeing slight dusting on sand that I'm thinking Dino's. This sucks !
So do I never do a water change again? How long have you guys waited after Dino's to resume schedule
Ps
I'm pretty sure they're Dino's because my Zoas look horrible right now and that has always coincided with Dino's for me.
Pps..... H202 has never worked for me. Only did dirty and that worked perfect until water change.
So do I never do a water change again? How long have you guys waited after Dino's to resume schedule
Ps
I'm pretty sure they're Dino's because my Zoas look horrible right now and that has always coincided with Dino's for me.
Pps..... H202 has never worked for me. Only did dirty and that worked perfect until water change.
garygonzales
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i hear ya...lol...i did the same thing and boom,,,dinos again...so im waiting now to do a water change,,not sure how long ill wait tho....been like 2 months now..and coiunting....
Quiet_Ivy
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@Dfee and garygonzales: Triple phooey. I wonder if this is seasonal? It's dark very early up here. My tank is completely overrun with cyano atm, and the dinos are exploding in the filter samples I look at. No dinos on a macro scale but my tank is now using up 5ppm nitrate in 3 or 4 days.
@mikefromaz I tried h2o2 at recommended and twice recommended dosage, at night, slowly. (No livestock at the time). Didn't seem to make ANY difference. Try spot treating, that did help.
@bheron I tried to do a list of methods vs results but everybody tried multiple methods and I couldn't figure out how to chart that. Multiple methods *do* work better but it's really impossible to tell what helped. Especially since there's usually a lag between any method working. And that's not even including the people who had funny looking cyano or diatoms and mistook it for dinos.
ivy
@mikefromaz I tried h2o2 at recommended and twice recommended dosage, at night, slowly. (No livestock at the time). Didn't seem to make ANY difference. Try spot treating, that did help.
@bheron I tried to do a list of methods vs results but everybody tried multiple methods and I couldn't figure out how to chart that. Multiple methods *do* work better but it's really impossible to tell what helped. Especially since there's usually a lag between any method working. And that's not even including the people who had funny looking cyano or diatoms and mistook it for dinos.
ivy
DNA
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I've already begun the update on the original post.
PorkchopExpress
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you know i've been contemplating doing this since i read your post...what are the cons of removing your mechanical filtration? i would assume just a lot of detritus and other poop making your sump dirty? do you vacuum your sump regularly?
bheron
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:fun2: good points. ugh!
DNA
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Don't underestimate the amounts of detritus that will accumulate.
Why should you vacuum the sump if your choice is to remove the filters and let dirt settle in the tank?
bheron
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I agree, karimwassef makes a great point. @Porkchopexpress, good question. I'm thinking, in a mature reef ecosystem that detritus and other poop and stuff is actually food for other inhabitants - pods, etc. Another reason I no longer subscribe to the obsessive clean tank approach.
PorkchopExpress
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you guys bring up good points...i'm highly considering attempting this soon - next time my filter sock gets clogged i may just not replace it with a clean one and see how that goes...my goal isn't to let the dirt settle or create food for the zooplankton, it's more to allow the zooplankton to return back into the sump from the display tank...every time i clean my filter sock, i'm always saving a handful of amphipods because i can actually see them...who knows how many copepods and munnid isopods i'm killing every time i change filter socks...but i guess that's a good point - if i let the detritus and dirt settle it makes food for them
i'll have to just watch my NO3/PO4...i don't want it to get too high
i'll have to just watch my NO3/PO4...i don't want it to get too high
