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Will dino x or peroxide work on it?
Fish Keeper82
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It may be worth a shot. Dino X did absolutely nothing on my Amphidinium or Ostreopsis..... only major one left from the algaeid site is Prorocentrum. You would think Dino X works on something
An LFS in my area uses Dino X and swears by it. I have seen their tanks go from clean to Dino invasion time and time again though. So it seems to not fix the main issue. Again I have no experiance with Prorocentrum type.
karimwassef
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Can someone with a video microscope put a drop of vibrant in a sample of dinos?
africangrey
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I thought someone over on the other website did that, and the microscope saw bunch of moving bacteria.
karimwassef
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But what were they doing to the dinos? Eating them? Outcompeting them?
stan zemanek
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I thought the whole idea of Vibrant was to add a bacteria that out competed the dinos for nutrients. Thus starving the Dinos. I don't think the bacteria is there to attack the Dinos.
Been using vibrant for over 2 months, zero luck on the dinos. I know there are some that have had luck
I can't confirm that my tank has dinos (no microscope) although from reading tons of threads and looking at the pictures, I believe I have them.
That said, my most recent tank restart (siphoned old sand out, removed rock and replaced with clean white-dead rock, and scraped siphoned as much out of the tank) is going great with the Vibrant: I'm on my second dose and the stuff that I couldn't or didn't remove from the back wall has receded to almost 90% right now.
Like you said I think it's slowly dying because the Bacteria in the Vibrant is taking it's food source. Either way appears to working for me...
jason2459
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Outcompete. But won't wipe out at least not in my case.
In the small sample of vibrant it did do something to some algae physically. Nothing that I could see against the dinos.
However, vibrant didn't effect my hair algae but eventually out competed cyano and dinos so they were knocked back to not being visually in the tank. The microscope shows both are still there.
karimwassef
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If it's a healthy bacteria, I would support it. How would it compete with dinos but not hair algae? Not clear on why that would work.
robertifly
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Vibrant is worth a try, worked for me. No dinos evident 1st time in over a year! Only other changes were reduced whites from 100% to 80% and cut back amount of daily food a little. I'm happy with the tank. Took about a month totally.
rsepiphyte
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I am finding this thread fascinating. "Marine Snow" is something that i had not considered before. Has anyone used a Vortex Diatom filter on tanks infested with cyano or just as a way to polish the water and remove the "Marine Snow". Has this helped with the problem?
I don't remember anyone using a diatom filter for that purpose, but it's a reasonable idea. The diatom filters are a bit tedious to use, I have been told, which might be why more people don't try them. It's possible that some searching might turn up a thread with some results.
Been thinking about this for a while, and as this 4000+ post thread is sorta catching it's breath, I think maybe it's a good time to take stock of what we know, and put in a somewhat accessible form.
Here's a Shared Google doc. Currently it's just an outline: I've set it to be editable by any interested party. I intend to work on filling in the outline as time permits with what we know, and hopefully convincing others to help out. It's not going to be any "new" revelations, just collection of what's out there. (but there's more success out there than people realize)
I feel like we have all the information to fill this out, it's just that the information in this guide currently exists as posts and papers and links scattered in many threads across several places connected together by the brains of users who've been following this battle.
My questions are:
#1 do we think this would be worth doing?
#2 anything about the outline that any can think should be added? other treatment methods I've overlooked? Other things people mistake for dinos, but aren't?
#3 organization of the outline, Does this make sense? Is it going to be so big it's useless? My idea is that most users would go straight to the "types of Dinos" part, figure out from pics/vids which of "the big 3" they have, and there would be a list of recommended treatment methods at the bottom of each kind of dino, then jump down to those treatments, and decide which ones they want to attempt.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/127cKH5miePn4tsvzWNGNMuQivMh3fmxniPCVwLdF3ec/edit?usp=sharing
I'm gonna post the outline here just this once so people can see without clicking the link.
trmiv
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I'm done fighting mine. Tried vibrant, didn't work. Tried clean method, didn't work. Tried dirty method, didn't work. Tried live phyto and pods, didn't help. Tried a few other methods and they didn't help. At this point I'm tired of
spinning my wheels. Been fighting these things for 10 months. Most of my corals are dead and all my snails are dead. Luckily my fish are still totally healthy. So I've decided to transplant my fish and some rock to a 20 gallon, totally tear down my 120, kill and sterilize the rock and let it dry, then start over with that sterilized rock and some new live rock. Then after quarantining the fish I'll move them back. I'll get rid of the few remaining corals I have and start new. If my corals were still ok I'd hold on but really I'm fighting dinos in a mostly bare tank at this point so I don't see why I don't just start over.
spinning my wheels. Been fighting these things for 10 months. Most of my corals are dead and all my snails are dead. Luckily my fish are still totally healthy. So I've decided to transplant my fish and some rock to a 20 gallon, totally tear down my 120, kill and sterilize the rock and let it dry, then start over with that sterilized rock and some new live rock. Then after quarantining the fish I'll move them back. I'll get rid of the few remaining corals I have and start new. If my corals were still ok I'd hold on but really I'm fighting dinos in a mostly bare tank at this point so I don't see why I don't just start over.
Good luck with your restart!Thanks for the link. I'm not sure mine looks like any of those three. I took a video at various magnifications if anyone wants to see (forgive my daughter watching Elf in the background). Mine move more like bumper cars, they are all over the place
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2sikyw914qvezg7/AABPMQxjBRfk80cNAW0Sqfn5a?dl=0
and here is another pic i snapped
http://i.imgur.com/gXDEaZ6.jpg
Wow. Just went back and looked at your vids.
These were the first dinos I had in my tank. The co-occurred with amphidinium at same time in different spots on my sand.
Here they are in my tank.
https://youtu.be/HLakMav9rRw
I looked for months and saw no one else with this kind, but now you and another reefer have both posted these in 2 days.
Anyway, my best ID for these is Coolia monotonis. Some YouTube vids of Coolia that seem to match shape and motion pretty well.
Also here's a google animation I did of changing focal plane to look at structure. https://goo.gl/photos/xmpYxEUWjo9sSrin7
Have you done UV? I don't know if these go into water column at night.
