dolphin slaughtering?

[Reef obcession]

I coundnt watch the video because its just humane. I think those people should share there fate at which the caused those innocent dolphins. I will never see another Dolphin show, or anything to do with it because they are all captured and used for a money making sceme. i=I recently watched a video thats now out to rent called The Cove. What this movie and you will feel the way me and my family does.

 

[ackee]

Virtually all animal life exists through the consumption of other living things.
Almost all organisms that derive their nourishment through photosynthesis are plants, not animals, and are generally regarded as non-sentient. Some corals are also primarily photosynthetic, but most will not pass up an easy meal if a tiny animal blunders into their tentacles. Even plants may derive part of their nourishment from the decayed organic remnants of once living things.

It's not unreasonable to conclude that we must kill to live. The circumstances of this killing may or may not be consistent with our sensibilities, but the reality remains that humans, like most animal life forms, engage in killing continuously throughout their lives, however disguised and removed from sight that killing may be. This is the nature of our existence.

The one big issue that I have with this natural process is that there simply are too many people. We consume far more than might be considered our share, though such a notion is, I realize, absurd. Still, there are too many of us eating an increasingly ghastly portion of our fellow creatures, and pushing many into extinction through the modification of the planet to feed and make room for even more people.

 

[DH212]

I cant believe people are doing this

 

[Capslock118]

In the wild all predators inflict pain and fear upon their prey.

We do not live in the wild and also the acts you are referring to are natural compared to our actions. We are intelligent beings that know better than to do what we do to the dolphins in this article and how we treat animals in factory farms.

It's not unreasonable to conclude that we must kill to live.

Missing the point entirely. The issue is how the killing is performed.

The conclusion we jump to so often b/c we are compassionate creatures is that the experience these animals go through b/c they feel pain is the same as we would go through if we met this sort of fate.

Exactly the point. If you would not wish the same fate on yourself, why then is it ok to do the same to another creature?

Additionally that plants don't feel pain is a presumption we make reflecting more our tendencie to anthropomophize animals and not plantsIMO.

No offense intended here but this is not something that has room for an opinion. Plants do not have nerves and so what we define as pain cannot be experienced by a plant. The very article you site to support your opinion even explains this:

Plants may not feel the pain of an injury as animals do, but they do have their own "alarm" reaction to tissue damage and, in an effect curiously similar to that in animals, this reaction can be short-circuited by aspirin and other similar drugs, according to a study recently published in The Journal of Biological Chemistry.

What is being defined in that article is not what we define as pain. They are simply using the term 'pain' loosely so the reader can have some point of reference to understand the topic.

 

[ackee]

"Missing the point entirely. The issue is how the killing is performed."

Not really. It may be your issue, or an issue for the naive and squeamish, but the finality of killing and consumption reduces the issue of 'how' to comic irrelevance in the context of human numbers and hungers stripping the planet.

"Exactly the point. If you would not wish the same fate on yourself, why then is it ok to do the same to another creature?"

Does this mean that because you do not wish the to be killed and eaten yourself, you question the morality of killing and eating another creature? Or is the only 'negotiable' fate the manner of death? A rather dismal choice, and one that is never actually offered to the creature being killed.

We killer monkeys have peculiar notions regarding what constitutes benign killing technology, and possess extremely irrational perceptions of which animals are cute, noble,
beautiful, etc., and deserve gentle treatment. In contrast less appealing animals are
slaughtered in whatever ways most likely provide inexpensive chicken parts at the supermarket.

I'm all for free range chickens and the elimination of the massive and barbaric killing machines our society uses to provide cheap food to a global population bursting at the seams. The problem is, though, that not enough food will be produced this way to meet human needs. Bloodsoaked traditions, like the trapped dolphin slaughters, are abominations, but useful in making certain we never forget what we really are, beneath this veneer of civility.
Converting humans, through the elimination of alternatives,to vegetable and synthetic food based diets will help, but only if the human population becomes dramatically smaller, and leaves remaining undeveloped land and oceanic systems to our brother animals who have, I believe, a greater right to possess it.

 

[lordofthereef]

Well I see this thread is already well on its way of being locked.

 

[lordofthereef]

Additionally that plants don't feel pain is a presumption we make reflecting more our tendencie to anthropomophize animals and not plantsIMO.

Pain reception is simply a bi-product of the central nervous system. Being that all plants are devoid of that, it is pretty safe to bet that they feel no pain.

 

[aalhait]

OK not that it did not disturb me either... I've seen a similar email go around for years.

I like to be the devils advocate, not that I really have that opinion... But I usually like to bring other opinions to the table.

What makes killing rats OK and killin squirrels not? What makes killing a Tuna OK and a Dolphin not? What makes killing a Chicken OK and a Penguin not! How about Killing a Rabbit, Pig, Dear, Lamb OK and Dogs/Cats not? What about eating a Salmon vs Shark/Dolphin/Emperor Angel?

Is it the fact that the other creature is Cute? Who makes the rules that something is OK and the other is disturbing?

OK, going off the edge now... How can a Human Kill another?! Or an army, kill a whole people?

They start by dehumanizing the other party... So their people think of them as Rats, etc (insert your fav pests here).

You eat whatever you can consume is the rule of survival... The other rules are made by religion (Man shall not kill man for food, but for survival it's usually permissible - In self defense)

The post does not necessarily reflect my beliefs... But the ideas are there to make us think outside and beyond the box.

The moral of the story is Man does not always have the same morals as other Man... But still have more morals than any other creatures.

I apologize for any mistakes I've made in the post... It's 6AM and I have not had my Coffee yet!

 

[Eric the half-bee]

If you want to be outraged at westerners, check out a few PETA videos about factory farming. We might not drag cows to death, but factory farms have been accused of routinely cutting the beaks off chickens, raising cattle in tiny pens standing knee-deep in their own feces, etc. I don't want to side-track this discussion away from dolphins, but the idea that westerners have a better track record with regard to food animal cruelty is debatable.

Note: I'm not saying PETA videos are accurate representations of the entire western farming industry, but if you want to compare videos of hideous cruelty, that's where to look.

In fact, I'd say the real biggest problem in western animal husbandry is over-use of antibiotics, which has the potential of breeding some nasty anibiotic-resistant germs. Let a few of them cross over to humans, and we could be in big trouble.

Yep, I discount the majority, if not all of what PETA spews. When we lived in MN, a local mink farm was ransacked by local PETA kooks and they freed the minks. Sadly, the minks didn't last long in the wild. Throwing red paint on fur coats and falsifying their "kill rates" of strays demonstrates they'll do anything to further their agenda.

 

[uhuru]

What makes killing rats OK and killin squirrels not? What makes killing a Tuna OK and a Dolphin not? What makes killing a Chicken OK and a Penguin not! How about Killing a Rabbit, Pig, Dear, Lamb OK and Dogs/Cats not? What about eating a Salmon vs Shark/Dolphin/Emperor Angel?

I think you are missing the point. It's not what is being killed but the way they are being killed. I disagree that because we kill animals for our own advancement/survival, the way in which they are killed doesn't matter. We should do it as humanely and pain-free to the animal as possible. This opinion is shared by the US government. This applies to rats as much as dolphins. It is not carried out perfectly by a long shot - but that's what we should strive for. Sadly, if the farmers can't govern themselves, and if the animal researchers can't govern themselves, the government has to continue to become more involved and take away our autonomy.

Anyway, lots of good points brought up in this thread. There is no clear black and white IMO.

 

[Capslock118]

I think you are missing the point. It's not what is being killed but the way they are being killed. I disagree that because we kill animals for our own advancement/survival, the way in which they are killed doesn't matter. We should do it as humanely and pain-free to the animal as possible. This opinion is shared by the US government. This applies to rats as much as dolphins. It is not carried out perfectly by a long shot - but that's what we should strive for. Sadly, if the farmers can't govern themselves, and if the animal researchers can't govern themselves, the government has to continue to become more involved and take away our autonomy.

I agree entirely and these were more/less the points I was trying to convey.

 

[keywestcoralboy]

wait who is killin the porpi??

 

[mak3mydae]

The Asian eats everything, horible.:sad2:

I'm not quite sure why them being Asian really has to do with the slaughter of these dolphins. Yes, they are Asian, but similarly, the ground around them is grey and the water is brown. There are other races in which they perform equally inhumane tasks. In addition, the video speaks of Japanese, not Chinese, or Vietnamese, or Taiwanese, or Cambodian, or Indian, or any other Asian country, lumping them all together is rather racist if you ask me.

 

[Capslock118]

I'm not quite sure why them being Asian really has to do with the slaughter of these dolphins. Yes, they are Asian, but similarly, the ground around them is grey and the water is brown. There are other races in which they perform equally inhumane tasks. In addition, the video speaks of Japanese, not Chinese, or Vietnamese, or Taiwanese, or Cambodian, or Indian, or any other Asian country, lumping them all together is rather racist if you ask me.

+1 agreed.

 

[KarlBob]

Bottlenose dolphins may not be endangered yet, but we should never assume that just because a wild species is plentiful, we can't possibly wipe it out. Time and again, we've proven that we can drive virtually any species to the edge of extinction, or beyond.

Another disturbing instance of killing charismatic, intelligent, wild mammals is the bush meat trade in Africa. Some humans talk to Koko with sign language, and other humans eat her fellow gorillas.

 

[Rossini]

The Asian eats everything, horible.:sad2:

And Westerners eat far too much meat fed on soya that is grown on what was the home of millions of species, the Amazon rainforest, the most biodiverse place on earth, it's being turned into sugar cain plantations to fill up gas guzzling cars and SUV's, soya plantations for animal feed, and ranches for cheap beef and leather.

 

[Aristotle]

It's true. We have a beautiful planet, and humans are going to be the end of it at our current pace. I hate it, but it's what we are. I'm hoping, as the green movement picks up, that we'll continue to conduct ourselves in more responsible ways.

Saying that dolphin slaughter is being done for food is a PR stunt, as then it has to be compared to the western meat industry which is also brutal and inhumane. Dolphin meat carries extremely high mercury levels. It's toxic. End of argument. The mass culling of dolphins in asia has very little to do with them as a valued food source or tradition. Japan has a huge fishing economy and dolphins are a direct (and potentially superior) competitor in that market.

 

[Rossini]

It's true. We have a beautiful planet, and humans are going to be the end of it at our current pace. I hate it, but it's what we are. I'm hoping, as the green movement picks up, that we'll continue to conduct ourselves in more responsible ways.

Saying that dolphin slaughter is being done for food is a PR stunt, as then it has to be compared to the western meat industry which is also brutal and inhumane. Dolphin meat carries extremely high mercury levels. It's toxic. End of argument. The mass culling of dolphins in asia has very little to do with them as a valued food source or tradition. Japan has a huge fishing economy and dolphins are a direct (and potentially superior) competitor in that market.

It's not what we are though. It's what we have become. We have lost touch with our spiritual side and lost touch with nature and have become obsessed with technology and materialism.

We can change though. People dont have to eat large amounts of meat. We dont have to consume lot's of 'things', as much as the corporations with all their adverts want us to keep on consuming faster and faster.

People dont need large engined cars. Even if you dont want to beleive in the science that tell us burning fossil fuels is severley damaging our environment and future, surely it's a good idea to try and use the last of planet earths natural resources carefully.

 

[fufu]

The Asian eats everything, horible.:sad2:

That is funny and really offensive at the same time. I'm asian, and yes we do eat alot of things, but it is for survival sake. Asians country were once poor and having something to eat was better than nothing. So don't ever make such an ignorant comment.

 

[Rossini]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/mar/09/the-cove-whale-smuggling