Dr. Foster and Smith Divers Den Anemone Survival Thread

From a newly posted diver's Den description:
Sri Lanka Gray/Green Haddoni Carpet anemone with Red oral disc and cream colored column with no spots or markings. This anemone prefers to attach firmly to a smooth surface with its pedal disc and most of the column buried in a fine, sandy substrate that is 4" deep. This Haddoni Anemone has short and very sticky tentacles and has been eating a mix of PE Mysis and finely chopped grouper and raw shrimp. This animal has been fully quarantined since November 5th, and was maintained under 250 Watt DE- 10K bulbs that are suspended 18" above the water surface, in a raceway that is 16" deep. Diameter of the pedal disc (foot) is 3.5” and the anemone is 8.5” in diameter when fully open.
Size: 8-1/2"
Wow! Huge improvement and very valuable information. When you have great care like this you do well to flaunt it in the description :) Kudos, this sort of information means a lot to us and just providing it shows a level of concern for the buyer and the animal above and beyond what other retailers usually show.

The one other piece of info I can never get but always want for anemones is the approximate depth the anemone was collected at. I saw magnificas ranging from low tide line down to 60 feet and we have observed some being more low light tolerant than others in tanks. I'm sure that is hard info to come by, but if it was ever available it would be great to have.
 
Flighty Wrote: Propagation of magnificas would be especially promising. Imagine turning one very large magnifica (with an extremely small chance of surviving all of the shipping) into four small sized ones all with a much better chance of thriving. Doing it in the ocean before they suffer shipping damage would be the optimal way to go, but I wonder if it might be profitable to do at your level.

Flighty,
Propagating Magnifica anemones in closed systems poses numerous challenges and is very difficult, but hopefully someday the advancements made in the husbandry of these animals will allow us to do so. Contributions from the aquarium community are again very important to the understanding of the long-term care requirements of these incredible animals. I agree that it would be much more successful to propagate these animals in their natural environment, as this would be the best way to increase their chances of survival during shipping, as smaller individuals’ ship much better than larger magnifica anemones. With the increasing number of Mariculture operations overseas in Bali and Jakarta growing Scleractinia spp. in a lagoon setting, I would encourage and support any of these operations that would consider propagating anemones as well. To the best of my knowledge all of these in suit operations focus their efforts solely on the propagation of stony and soft coral.

Flighty Wrote: While we have you on the line there are many of us here extremely interested in the sexual side of anemone reproduction. I know there would be a large salivating market here for information about baby anemones or the anemones themselves. I know Giganteas and haddonis are known to internally brood their young and I have seen pictures of newly imported specemins releasing fully formed baby anemones. With the number of adults you are handling have you seen this happen? I know I'm not the only one here who would probably pay more for a ricordea sized gigantea baby mounted to rubble than for a newly shipped adult.

Flighty,
Unfortunately we have never seen Stichodactyla spp. anemones reproduce sexually in our facility. I can only hope one day that we will have this opportunity to do so as once again, this would be much more ideal shipping smaller individuals that can tolerate shipping stress and adaptation to a new environment much better than more mature individuals.

speeddemonlsr wrote: Kevin could I request to have my future anemone shipped dry if I wanted to take the chance?

speeddemonlsr,
We only ship anemones wet, and with a significant amount of water in very lager bags compared to the anemones size to ensure their safety during transit, limiting temperature changes as much as possible. Utilizing this technique is the best possible way to limit water fouling during transit.

Flighty Wrote: The one other piece of info I can never get but always want for anemones is the approximate depth the anemone was collected at. I saw magnificas ranging from low tide line down to 60 feet and we have observed some being more low light tolerant than others in tanks. I'm sure that is hard info to come by, but if it was ever available it would be great to have.

Flighty,
Unfortunately this information is very difficult to come by when importing anemones from Asia as the chain of custody is much longer, and the animals change hands frequently as their harvest normally takes place in more remote regions. Anemones imported from the South Pacific are not as diverse, or frequent, but this information would be somewhat easier to obtain when working with specific exporters. If we know this information I will surely add this to the description of the anemones we post in the Divers Den section of our site.

I want to thank everyone again for your valued input as all of us here can contribute to the better understanding of these fascinating animals. I welcome your suggestions and comments, and once again, it’s my pleasure to have an opportunity to contribute to this thread in a positive way.

Regards,
Kevin Kohen
Director of LiveAquaria
Drs. Foster and Smith
 
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Ordered GBTA on 03/22/08
arrived a beautiful forest green/bubblegum pink.
Tank has been up for 4 years
Today: not as green(more than likely from my lighting) but still healthy, houses a pair of percs.
 
Kevin: do the anemones from your Cali facility receive the same care as the Wisconsin facilities?

I'm curious - why the extra ship to Wisconsin for the premo stuff?
 
Kevin,

I notice that the new anemones posted today have a LOT of information regarding their condition and the care they've been receiving. I really like this! :thumbsup: I think it'll give potential customers a much better idea of what the care requirements for a particular species really is, as well as how their system differs from where the anemone is coming from. Hopefully this will help to ease the acclimation process.

Thanks!
 
Most Appear to be BTAS

Most Appear to be BTAS

I still think the care and sale of larger hosting anemones of stichodactyla and heteractis species seem to have a poor shipping rate.


I am starting to beleive that there maybe more of connection between gigantea and mertenssi and magnificas.

Kevin,

Have you guys had any mertenssi, since viewing your site i haven't seen any.

Also since magnifica and gigantea are commonly found exposed to air is it safe to assume that since my magnifica tends to stay at the water line that it was collected in a low lying area. As a reefer i can not replicate these conditions.

I think that the collection site of these anemone would be more beneficial to the trade if we knew if collection was done in a low lying area.

Since i realized this i also now tend to believe that no anemone should be housed in a tank that is above 18 inches high. A dream tank for me is a low lying reef surge tank, the ability to replicate low tide and high tide.

My gigantea is doing great it hasn't moved since i got it but in the last owners tank it looked like a up side down bell, now with the shorter tank it looks like coloum with a 12 inch by 12 inch peice of shag carpeting.
 
Kevin, just saw that new LTA on DD. Love the new information being given. VERY HELPFUL. Big step forward in my opinion. Well done.
 
I have been a customer of DFS for some years in both fish and other animals. I think the effort here has sealed my loality as a customer, a big thanks to Kevin for taking the time. As for anemonies and shipping, I can attest that if it arrives in good shape, acclimation and feeding as well as lighting and water quality in your tank will determine how the next 24 - 48 hours will go. A bleached animal right out of the package can be saved as can be seen on other sites. Anemonies are such a delicate animal, however, quite honestly I wouldn't give a refund ; ) Shipping during the extreme months just shouldn't be done. Why risk it just because we can't wait another couple months? Im sure thats not what the industry wants to hear, but responsibility starts when you begin doing your research and planning. I have always had great success from DFS and others when shipping during the spring. Thanks again Kevin, GL to the rest!!
 
Can I just say how much I love love love these new descriptions? :) Thank you!!

http://www.liveaquaria.com/diversden/ItemDisplay.cfm?c=2733+4&ddid=52471

Green and purple long tentacle anemone. The oral disc is green with tan stripes, the foot is orange, and on the upper part of the column to the underside of the oral disc is a brown/purple color with light tan spots. This anemone has been attached attach firmly to a smooth surface while in our care with its pedal disc and column buried in a fine, sandy substrate that is 4 inches deep. This anemone has long and sticky tentacles and has been eating a mix of PE Mysis and finely chopped grouper and raw shrimp. This animal has been fully quarantined since November 11th and is maintained under 250 Watt DE- 10K bulbs that are suspended 18" above the water surface in a raceway that is 16" deep. Diameter of the pedal disc is 2-3/4," and the anemone is 7-1/2" in diameter when fully open.
Size: 7-1/2"
 
tufacody wrote: Kevin: do the anemones from your Cali facility receive the same care as the Wisconsin facilities? I'm curious - why the extra ship to Wisconsin for the premo stuff?

tufacody,
The anemones we offer that ship from California do not undergo such a lengthy quarantine process, but rather are shipped when they exhibit normal behavior and appear to be in optimum health. Shipping some select species to Wisconsin for extended quarantine allows us to source animals from a variety of exporters and suppliers who all have different supply, so we may expand our offerings to our customers. By housing some select species in Wisconsin also allows us to offer (WYSIWYG- What You See Is What You Get) aquatic life in our Divers Den section of LiveAquaria.com, as over the years, more and more customers prefer to see the exact animal before making the purchase on their next addition to their aquarium.

Reefvette wrote: Have you guys had any mertenssi, since viewing your site i haven't seen any.

Reefvette,
We haven’t had an opportunity to acquire Stichodactyla mertensii this year, but last year we sold three beautiful Merten's Anemones from Vanuatu that were quite large and very healthy. Two of these animals were purchased by a few individuals here on RC who are very experienced hobbyists, and to the best of my knowledge these animals are still thriving and growing in their aquariums. Merten's Anemones grow quite large and are not ideal for everyone, as they need a very large space and obviously proper lighting, water flow, and pristine water conditions.

Reefvette wrote: Also since magnifica and gigantea are commonly found exposed to air is it safe to assume that since my magnifica tends to stay at the water line that it was collected in a low lying area. As a reefer i can not replicate these conditions.

Heteractis magnifica have quite a range which extends from the Central and Western Pacific Ocean down through the South Pacific and Coral Sea, then west into the Indian Ocean and Red Sea. These anemones are commonly found from 1-40 meters in depth. In shallow water it is more common to see far less of these animals, and when you do they are solitary in nature and are normally smaller in size. From reading scientific papers it’s been found that there seemed to be a tendency for these solitary anemones to move to deeper water and cluster once they reached a certain size-range. It is far more common to see large numbers of Heteractis magnifica in the wild clustered together in groups in deeper water.

Reefvette wrote: My gigantea is doing great it hasn't moved since i got it but in the last owners tank it looked like a up side down bell, now with the shorter tank it looks like coloum with a 12 inch by 12 inch peice of shag carpeting.

That is great to hear about your success with your new Heteractis magnifica . These are incredible animals, and definitely require more specialized care as they are one of the most difficult anemones to successfully maintain long term. Some of these anemones will wander about in home aquariums, and in my personal opinion based on my experience with these animals over the years, that when Heteractis magnifica move up along the side of the aquarium glass to the top of the water line, as opposed to attaching themselves to a large rock where they have adequate water flow completely around the entire animal which is how they are normally found in the wild, they are either not receiving a sufficient amount of water flow in the form of alternating current, or the spectrum and intensity of light is not of their liking.

I would like to thank everyone again for your comments, suggestions, and most of all your support. You all are most welcome, and its a pleasure to take some of your suggestions and comments, and change how we describe anemones that are listed in the Divers Den section of LiveAquaria.com. By offering detailed specifics on the care and husbandry of these anemones during our quarantine process will hopefully give everyone a much better understanding of how to better care for these animals in the home aquarium.

Cheers!
Kevin Kohen
Director of LiveAquaria
Drs. Foster and Smith
 
I'm VERY tempted to buy that LTA on there right now. Too bad I'm going out of town this weekend. Oh well..if it's still there next week, I may just have to get it.

Oh, and +1,000 on the awesome descriptions now!!!
 
I do have one question. Can a gift certificate be used toward shipping cost, or only the product cost?
 
Amanda,
So we don't take this thread off course, please feel free to ask any questions regarding our general policies, including the use of gift certificates in the our forum section here on RC. We have a dedicated staff of customer service and technical support associates who monitor this section daily, and will gladly answer these types of questions.
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Regards,
Kevin Kohen
Director of LiveAquaria
Drs. Foster and Smith
 
Kevin,

Thank you very much for this information. It has been very enlightening. Keep up the good work.

Dan
 
To reply to the origional post
DD BTA arrived bleached and very cold (probably is what caused the bleaching) it lived for a short time, refund issued

What I do want to complain about is the DD zoas are always plagued with sundial snails. I informed them last year and nothing has been done about it. I'm tired of getting beautiful zoa's only to have them disappear polyp by polyp then finding a big fat juicy sundial snail tucked away between dying polyps. I get zoas from other sources and they are sundial free.
I also got a DD green bubble coral loaded with apastia.
Customer service is great i'll give them that but lately its just not worth the hassle.
 
CoralBeautyII wrote:
What I do want to complain about is the DD zoas are always plagued with sundial snails. I informed them last year and nothing has been done about it. I'm tired of getting beautiful zoa's only to have them disappear polyp by polyp then finding a big fat juicy sundial snail tucked away between dying polyps. I get zoas from other sources and they are sundial free.

CoralBeautyII,

I apologize for your poor experience, and would respectfully request you direct questions not involving Anemones to our Sponsored Forum Section here on RC in order to keep this thread on track.

I would however like to add that I am very surprised to hear that you have received Zoanthus rocks with Sundial Snails. We work diligently to properly handle, quarantine, and inspect Zoanthus and hard corals having a very intensive inspection and dip protocol in place for Zoanthus spp. . This involves multiple freshwater baths with Lugos and Flatworm exit on all Zoanthus spp. on three to four separate occasions prior to them being offered for sale to do our very best to limit the chances of any pests. Prior to each bath every colony is physically inspected for Sea Spiders and Sundial Snails. We move Zoanthus spp. rocks progressively down a row in our facility to three different raceways, applying baths each time when they are transferred until they finally end up in the third and final raceway where they are ready for sale after successfully making it through this process.

Pest anemones are also manually removed during this process as well if we do find any, as Aiptasia are not too common to find in our facility, as we aggressively remove them when we do find them. I apologize for your poor experience once again, and would be more than happy to look into this matter and replace them for you if we haven’t done so already.

Regards,
Kevin Kohen
Director of LiveAquaria
Drs. Foster and Smith
 
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