cromedogg33
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Get a nice frogspawn and most clowns will host that and they stay put 
drummereef's 180g in-wall build
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drummereef
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Get a nice frogspawn and most clowns will host that and they stay put
Good thought Josh. I have a frogspawn but it would need to get a little bigger. Good idea!
gary faulkner
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Buble tips like to move around and when they do they kill everything in their path. They will stay put for a year or more sometimes but they always move and when they do, look out because you will loose corals.
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drummereef
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OK, good to know. Thanks Gary!
they also host elegance corals!
Cool, thanks for the tip bagz.
Fishdisease
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I had a pair of clowns host a toadstool leather, crazy crazy clowns.
psteeleb
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If you are considering a BTA, here are some things that will help it from moving around:
1) Set up a rock area where it has a ledge to hide under but can stretch out to get light. They like to be able to pull in if threatened.
2) Put it on a rock island. They do not like moving across a sand bed
3) Target feed it a chunk of fish about once to twice a month. This is over and above what it may get in pellet food, cyclopseze, mysis, etc. They like to eat.
Clowns will host in many corals or other things. I've seen them host on a clam, pump return, xenia, leathers and LPS. The problem with LPS is they can irritate the coral and themselves by pushing the soft tissue of the coral up against the skeletal part.
1) Set up a rock area where it has a ledge to hide under but can stretch out to get light. They like to be able to pull in if threatened.
2) Put it on a rock island. They do not like moving across a sand bed
3) Target feed it a chunk of fish about once to twice a month. This is over and above what it may get in pellet food, cyclopseze, mysis, etc. They like to eat.
Clowns will host in many corals or other things. I've seen them host on a clam, pump return, xenia, leathers and LPS. The problem with LPS is they can irritate the coral and themselves by pushing the soft tissue of the coral up against the skeletal part.
drummereef
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They are crazy fish.
Interesting info Pete. I did not know that about the potential problems of them hosting in LPS. I'll take note.
iwishtofish
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Brett, do you think heavy doses of MB7 might be capable of masking a cycle (all dry rock)? I dropped my chunk of shrimp in almost 9 days ago, and still haven't detected anything!
drummereef
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I added fish food almost every day to start my cycle and didn't see anything for probably 2 weeks, and remember I wasn't dosing anything. I don't think the MB7 would be capable of completely masking the cycle but it might minimize the severity of the ammonia spike somewhat. I'd just let it stew and you should start seeing some changes in the upcoming days.
iwishtofish
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I added fish food almost every day to start my cycle and didn't see anything for probably 2 weeks, and remember I wasn't dosing anything. I don't think the MB7 would be capable of completely masking the cycle but it might minimize the severity of the ammonia spike somewhat. I'd just let it stew and you should start seeing some changes in the upcoming days.
Ok, thank you. Hopefully it was a big enough piece of shrimp.
drummereef
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Ok, thank you. Hopefully it was a big enough piece of shrimp.
I'm sure it's plenty. Any amount of organics that will break down will cause a cycle to happen. Our systems are so sterile I think it just takes longer for the system to seed itself with bacteria.
I just looked back in my thread... I added water on 4-25-2010, live sand added 4-29-2010. It wasn't until 5-10-2010 before I started to see significant spike in ammonia, up to .75 from where it had been holding steady at .25 since day 1. So that's a solid 2 weeks before I saw any significant change in the cycle process.
iwishtofish
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I'm sure it's plenty. Any amount of organics that will break down will cause a cycle to happen. Our systems are so sterile I think it just takes longer for the system to seed itself with bacteria.
I just looked back in my thread... I added water on 4-25-2010, live sand added 4-29-2010. It wasn't until 5-10-2010 before I started to see significant spike in ammonia, up to .75 from where it had been holding steady at .25 since day 1. So that's a solid 2 weeks before I saw any significant change in the cycle process.
Thanks for taking the time to check back for me - that's a lot longer than I envisioned. I will hold steady!
cromedogg33
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Yes....and no.
You will have your algae cycle regardless. You just won't have a huge ammonia spike. This is how I did it just a few months ago. It's a very odd way of cycling IME, it's almost like a power or speed cycle.
You will have your algae cycle regardless. You just won't have a huge ammonia spike. This is how I did it just a few months ago. It's a very odd way of cycling IME, it's almost like a power or speed cycle.
iwishtofish
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Josh, ever detect levels of nitrite and nitrate? You used MB7 and dry rock, also?
110galreef
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Iwish...
I started with all dry rock ~150# & like 10# LR. from the start I also dosed MB7 per the startup instructions. I saw a very low spike and was only for like 2.5 weeks.....I can dig up my numbers as I wrote them down.
drummereef
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Sorry to interrupt... On a different subject, what's everyones thoughts on SPS chemical warfare? I know SPS have the ability to sting each other but is there a real issue with running an SPS tank without carbon 24/7? I know softies will release toxins but I can't find much info about SPS and LPS doing this, only stinging each other.
Reason for asking is every time I replace my carbon I see a big spike in the nuissance algae I'm trying to get rid of. I thought by removing the carbon it would add more organics to the water column which might help, and help the corals' nutrition as well.
On a different subject, what's everyones thoughts on SPS chemical warfare? I know SPS have the ability to sting each other but is there a real issue with running an SPS tank without carbon 24/7? I know softies will release toxins but I can't find much info about SPS and LPS doing this, only stinging each other.Reason for asking is every time I replace my carbon I see a big spike in the nuissance algae I'm trying to get rid of. I thought by removing the carbon it would add more organics to the water column which might help, and help the corals' nutrition as well.
110galreef
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Sorry to interrupt...
Haha...Who's build is this anyway!:uzi::reading:
I've been wrapped up & reading so long I fogot!:eek2:
As to the sps chemical warfare.....Not sure. I don't think there is really much of any chemical issue. Just touching/stinging.
I would assume tho, that you will want to run carbon 24/7, but maybe just in a small amount and change out less frequent. Also i would try to not adjust or change more than 1 thing every 4-6 weeks so you can verify WHAT is making things better or worse. Plus the carbon will help keep water CLEAR!
Plus if something dies the carbon will help pull any of that nasty out.
I have been running ~2.0-2.5 cups of Rox .08 every 3 weeks. I may go to like 1.5c next round to see if that amount still keeps water crystal clear! Plus less stuff to replace the more $$$ for fish & corals!
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drummereef
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Gotcha. I reduced to 1 cup of lignite and overnight there was an increase in brown algae/cyano. It's the weirdest thing... 
I swear the tank looks better when the carbon in either exhausted or not running at all. I've run carbon 24/7 for months now and just recently, in the last couple days, took it offline to see if here was a difference.
I swear the tank looks better when the carbon in either exhausted or not running at all. I've run carbon 24/7 for months now and just recently, in the last couple days, took it offline to see if here was a difference.
110galreef
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Gotcha. I reduced to 1 cup of lignite and overnight there was an increase in brown algae/cyano. It's the weirdest thing...
Maybe the ROX is just too aggresive. I have a good gallon & half(stocked up assuming I would be running more & changing more frequent originally
) left so i will keep it till done.Does the lignite not get jammed into the sponge as bad as the ROX?
