drummereef's 180g in-wall build

Brett- It's unfortunate to have these issues but great that youre recieving great customer service!

Sadly my 180 is now further pushed back. I moved my corals over to my new place,where the 180 is to be setup, and every last stick of SPS RTN'd. Lost all my chalicesand some other LPS. Zoas seem to be 'ok' but not opening.
I was planning on sellng some of my MANY frags to help with the cost of parts in the 180 but looks like i'll be collecting cans :(.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15241321#post15241321 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jmadison
Brett- It's unfortunate to have these issues but great that youre recieving great customer service!

Sadly my 180 is now further pushed back. I moved my corals over to my new place,where the 180 is to be setup, and every last stick of SPS RTN'd. Lost all my chalicesand some other LPS. Zoas seem to be 'ok' but not opening.
I was planning on sellng some of my MANY frags to help with the cost of parts in the 180 but looks like i'll be collecting cans :(.

Man that sucks! Sorry to hear about that. :(
 
And now for something you don't see everyday... :)


The other day I looked out my back windows. To my surprise there was a mother deer and baby fawn. I couldn't believe my eyes. We have deer in the area but I've never seen them on my side of the neighborhood, and definitely not in my own backyard!

Sorry for the bad pics. My wife was gone with the camera when I saw them so I took these with my cellphone. :o


Mother and fawn

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Probably can't tell from the pic but the fawn was nursing from the mother. Couldn't believe my eyes!

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Fawn trying to find it's way across the fence. It was no bigger than a small dog. My neighbor's fence is 4 feet.

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What's crazy is the mother would jump the fence leaving the little one on my property. It would run up and down the fence line trying to find a way through since it wasn't big enough to jump over. As soon as it got too far from the mother, she would jump back over to reign the fawn in. The interaction was amazing to watch. Here's the little one running up and down the fence line. You can barely make out the mother just on the other side of the fence.

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And for the best pic... Somehow I got the mother jumping over the fence. Don't ask me how I did it, quick reflexes I guess. :D

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15243917#post15243917 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by drummereef
And now for something you don't see everyday... :)


The other day I looked out my back windows. To my surprise there was a mother deer and baby fawn. I couldn't believe my eyes. We have deer in the area but I've never seen them on my side of the neighborhood, and definitely not in my own backyard!

Sorry for the bad pics. My wife was gone with the camera when I saw them so I took these with my cellphone. :o


Mother and fawn

IMG00007.jpg~original



Probably can't tell from the pic but the fawn was nursing from the mother. Couldn't believe my eyes!

IMG00005.jpg~original



Fawn trying to find it's way across the fence. It was no bigger than a small dog. My neighbor's fence is 4 feet.

IMG00004.jpg~original



What's crazy is the mother would jump the fence leaving the little one on my property. It would run up and down the fence line trying to find a way through since it wasn't big enough to jump over. As soon as it got too far from the mother, she would jump back over to reign the fawn in. The interaction was amazing to watch. Here's the little one running up and down the fence line. You can barely make out the mother just on the other side of the fence.

IMG00003.jpg~original



And for the best pic... Somehow I got the mother jumping over the fence. Don't ask me how I did it, quick reflexes I guess. :D

IMG00002.jpg~original

:lol: Cool shots... if you move here, deer are like large rodents that infest the place for 10 months a year. It's the bear and occasional mountain lion, badger and rattle snakes that get your blood pumping when you go outside before a cup of coffee:D
 
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So how did the fawn get out finally? And how did it get in? Thanks for sharing the experience with us.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15243845#post15243845 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by drummereef
Man that sucks! Sorry to hear about that. :(
Well I guess it seems to happen to a lot of people. So I'm just happy it was in my 29 gallon not the future plans.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15243991#post15243991 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Hop
:lol: Cool shots... if you move here, deer are like large rodents that infest the place for 10 months a year. It's the bear and occasional mountain lion, badger and rattle snakes that get your blood pumping when you go outside before a cup of coffee:D


I think I would literally freak out if I saw a bear in my back yard! :eek2:
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15244599#post15244599 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by melev
So how did the fawn get out finally? And how did it get in? Thanks for sharing the experience with us.

Only the neighbors on the south side and back have fences. My yard is open, as are the neighbors up the street. I presume they were meandering around our back yards and got as far as the fence next to my property. Obviously the mother had no problems moving onward, but the little one was a bit vertically challenged (so to speak). :D I went downstairs for a bit and when I looked out again they were gone. I'm guessing they left the same way they came.

Now I'm battling a stupid mole in my yard. :mad2:
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15245374#post15245374 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jmadison
Well I guess it seems to happen to a lot of people. So I'm just happy it was in my 29 gallon not the future plans.

Got that right. As bad as it seems it would only be worse in a 180. What do you attribute the loss to?
 
Well I am not 100% and it could be a combo of unknowns, but my guess is that I one of my SPS was amidst RTN'ing but didnt show immediate signs of it. I placed it in the tank and it spread. I have read somewhere along my readings that RTN'ing can be contagious. Not sure if thats true, but I definitly know that some of my pieces were in perfect shape at 4 am when they went in. At 11 am I had an impressive colllection of LE Great White Acros and montis, a dying clam and my RBTAs were looking bad(they died 36-48 hrs after the switch). I don't really know where my chalices got brown jelly infection from? But it was sickening watching several hundered dollars with of chalices melt before my eyes :(. I will admit, my eyes welled up a bit, but i never cried :). I just felt so helpless about it all it was uber frustrating.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15247038#post15247038 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jmadison
Well I am not 100% and it could be a combo of unknowns, but my guess is that I one of my SPS was amidst RTN'ing but didnt show immediate signs of it. I placed it in the tank and it spread. I have read somewhere along my readings that RTN'ing can be contagious. Not sure if thats true, but I definitly know that some of my pieces were in perfect shape at 4 am when they went in. At 11 am I had an impressive colllection of LE Great White Acros and montis, a dying clam and my RBTAs were looking bad(they died 36-48 hrs after the switch). I don't really know where my chalices got brown jelly infection from? But it was sickening watching several hundered dollars with of chalices melt before my eyes :(. I will admit, my eyes welled up a bit, but i never cried :). I just felt so helpless about it all it was uber frustrating.

That really sucks man. Any loss is a big one in my book. :( Hopefully something will come through for you so you can get back on track with your upgrade project. :)
 
UPDATE:


I decided while I was waiting for the replacement impeller for my Dart I would do some flow calculation. Thanks to crvz's formula I think I got at least a good estimate of flow throughout my system. The steps I took are as follows.

1. Adjust system flow to desired rate and allow system to normalize
2. Shut down main return pump and allow all drains/returns to drain completely
3. Siphon out 10 gallons of water to a separate reservoir
4. Turn on return pump and start stopwatch as soon as flow reaches display
5. Stop stopwatch when flow starts to overflow weir


The calculation crvz gave me is as follows...

(3600/seconds to refill) x 10

*I.E. 3600 seconds per hour / seconds to refill display x 10 gallons of siphoned volume*


My first calculation was for the maximum flow the system can handle. I adjusted the output of the Dart as to have the water level completely covering the teeth in both overflows, but not allowing it to go over the top of the overflow. I also checked for stability of the Durso drains. Once normalized I started the test. It took 24 seconds to refill the 10 gallons previously siphoned and start overflowing the weir. Using the formula I calculated my system can handle a maximum of 1500 GPH total flow or 750 GPH flow per overflow. The system was stable at this flow rate but I obviously wouldn't feel comfortable running it for any length of time since there is no headroom at this flow rate. Marineland claims their overflows can handle 700 GPH, so from my calculation I proved this to be true.

My second calculation was what I would consider normal operating condition. I adjusted my Dart so the flow was approximately half the way up the teeth in my overflow, or operating at 50% capacity. Once normalized I started testing. It took 40 seconds to refill the 10 gallons and start overflowing. The calculation showed it was flowing 900 GPH total or 450 GPH per overflow.


At 900 GPH, the system is right at 5x turnover through the sump. Even though 450 GPH is over half of the recommended flow rate for the overflows I would consider this to be acceptable as it would take a complete blockage of one drain to cause a serious issue. I'm guessing there would be enough headroom, in case of a partial obstruction, in the opposing overflow.

Both of the above tests were tested using the main return pump only, no recirc flow. Now, where it get's tricky to estimate total flow through the sump is when I start compounding flow between the main return and recirc line. Small adjustments to the recirc line cause large fluctuations in return flow. I've been trying different combinations between the main return and recirc to come up with the same results as I tested earlier. I presume the only way to know total flow through the sump while using the recirc line would be to use a flow meter on the recirc's output. Then you could add the two numbers together for total sump flow. Either that or I could try and fill a gallon jug from the recirc line while timing the results.
 
Just wondering if any of you guys have done flow calculation like I stated in my previous post? I think it's relatively accurate, but it's not an exact science of course.
 
I probably should, but I figured if it aint broke dont fix it.

The big thing for me is with my vortechs on random its kinda hard to know what my total system turnover at a given time is anyways, so I never bothered to measure return flow.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15255744#post15255744 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Taqpol
I probably should, but I figured if it aint broke dont fix it.

The big thing for me is with my vortechs on random its kinda hard to know what my total system turnover at a given time is anyways, so I never bothered to measure return flow.

Very true. My main focus is that I wanted to find out how many GPH I'm pushing through my sump. Much easier for me to do this test since I don't have any animals yet, obviously. ;) I agree it would be very hard to tell how much total turnover you have if you are running in Reef Crest mode or the like.















Page 24 so soon? :D
 
Update on the Dart pump... Well, got some not so great news. After installing the new impeller the pump still leaks. I had high hopes this was going to fix the problem. It even felt like it was pushing tighter against the spring seal. Called Chris at Reeflo and they are shipping me a new Dart, should be here mid next week. Kinda sucks dealing with this but I did learn a lot about how the pump works. I definitely don't feel intimidated taking the pump apart anymore. :D
 
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