Ecotech Marine announces third generation Radion LED light fixtures

[erndog1001]

I look at it this way. LEDs are just now coming itno thier heyday if you will. But they are not quite at their peak yet and there is still room for them to evolve. And I believe that's what EcoTech is doing by coming out with new ones.
However I have small problem with the WAY they are doing it and one big problem.
My small problem is the fact that the new lights they come out with aren't really that big of an improvement over the last ones. I have 2- Gen2s and 2- Pros sitting side by side on my tank. And unless you get right under them or you are there for sunrise/sunset THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE!!
My big problem is the fact that they refuse to fix the damned website even tho its over 2 years now!! i mean seriously. Who keeps software in Beta for that long?? The answer NOBODY!!!!
Well i could go on and on But nobodys listening so the heck with it. I hope you guys get my point.

All that being said I'm happy with the what the lights do for my tank. Ya just have to find another way of programming them other than EcoSmart for now.

 

[sanababit]

Don't you guys get it? Eco tech is constantly coming out with newer models everytime they have sucess with a new technology.

It's extremely frustrating when you spend TOP dollar for a light fixture and they come out with something better. (and Don't compare this to new cars, lights aren't cars)

Those that have generation ones or pros are left questioning why did we spend all this money when we could have waited for this one to come out.

I personally are going turned off by this approach to business. I'm sure that these lights are going to be spectacular but I wouldn't buy them in fear of a better model coming out later.

Why do you continue to waste money on something that is going to be second best later but you paid top prices this time.

All we do when we purchase there products is promote this way of developement. They are stepping forward and playing with new technology on our dime and on the flip side they're fine tuning their product.

I wouldn't have a problem with that if the price of these lights reflected there journey to creating the better light, but I can't keep buying a product from them and turn around to have then make one beetter on my hard earned dollar.

I'm not opening this up for debate, this is my opinion, I wont defend it. I just wanted to see if anyone see's it this way or am I the only one with my eyes wide open?

I agree with you 100%, ecotech should have a better upgrade option for the poor schmucks that bought their products recently(including me lol) instead of paying 300 dlls to upgrade they should do it for 80-100 bucks, sound more reasonable to me, anyways i dont intend to buy or upgrade anytime soon, my fixtures are working fine

Sana

 

[Arkayology]

I agree with the last posts totally. That said, I will probably be upgrading my gen1 sometime. I think every 2-3 years it will be worth to pay for the upgrade unless something really amazing is done with a new model.

 

[MikesReef83]

Im a big comuter gaming nerd and this is no surprize and is a good thing coming from Eco tech. Technology is alway evolving into something better. That why when I build a gaming computer, I could build it withthe latest and grwatestbut chose the parts that suite my needs, my wallet, and get the job done. If newer tech comes out right after I finished building it. I know that when the time comes there will always be somthing available to upgrade to.

 

[mmakay]

They only have 1 style of MP10, one style of the 40 and 1 style of the 60. And even though they could improve upon it they haven't. So if you have the MP60 you have the best pump for that size tank (that's open for debate as well). If you had a smaller tank then the 40, or 10 is the best pump.

Unless you bought a gen1 Vortech, which was completely changed for gen2. Then they released the wireless model making the old drivers obsolete. Want to use EcoSmart modes? Can't with the original wireless unit ... gotta upgrade again .....

So no, I don't see the point of complaining about a manufacturer releasing new products. It's what companies do. It's how things get better. The speed at which new products come out is tied to how fast they can improve the product or add features that the consumers want. If you want to be a grumpy old curmudgeon feel free to run MH and VHO actinics.

 

[Billabong]

The point that I was trying to make is, ecotech uses their overpriced products to fuel their R&D with our dime. The reason they can continually improve on their product is because we pay for these lights 2-3 times over. I’m only speculating but the proof is there.
Do you think that they offer great customer service out of the kindness of their hearts? No. I’ve had my mp10 malfunction outside of my warranty period and they replaced the faulty pasts for free. Now that’s great customer service. Have you ever really stopped to ask yourself how can they do that? It’s because they charge more for the product than what it is really worth. If I had the choice, I personally would like to pay $95 and take my chances with the pump (and I’m pretty sure they are still making a profit at that price). However they have that MSRP that you can’t stray from for $285.
The Part for my mp10 cost $32 plus S+H (and how much is that overpriced?) So if I paid a reasonable price for their pump I’d still be under half of what I really paid. I’m happy with that. I think, if we knew what it actually cost to make these products we’d be up in arms.
I understand that owning a product from ecotech is more of a status quo. If you proclaim that you own radions and MPs, people look at you in a different fashion. And because of the price a lot of people in the hobby can’t afford it. The product separates us into classes and I think that is why their “loyal customers” come to their defense. That and you’re going to have angry people if the price dropped. What I would like to see is their future products become more affordable for everyone. The company has made it, now it’s time to give back to the hobby!

 

[mkart]

The point that I was trying to make is, ecotech uses their overpriced products to fuel their R&D with our dime. The reason they can continually improve on their product is because we pay for these lights 2-3 times over. I’m only speculating but the proof is there. Do you think that they offer great customer service out of the kindness of their hearts? No. I’ve had my mp10 malfunction outside of my warranty period and they replaced the faulty pasts for free. Now that’s great customer service. Have you ever really stopped to ask yourself how can they do that? It’s because they charge more for the product than what it is really worth. If I had the choice, I personally would like to pay $95 and take my chances with the pump (and I’m pretty sure they are still making a profit at that price). However they have that MSRP that you can’t stray from for $285. The Part for my mp10 cost $32 plus S+H (and how much is that overpriced?) So if I paid a reasonable price for their pump I’d still be under half of what I really paid. I’m happy with that. I think, if we knew what it actually cost to make these products we’d be up in arms. I understand that owning a product from ecotech is more of a status quo. If you proclaim that you own radions and MPs, people look at you in a different fashion. And because of the price a lot of people in the hobby can’t afford it. The product separates us into classes and I think that is why their “loyal customers” come to their defense. That and you’re going to have angry people if the price dropped. What I would like to see is their future products become more affordable for everyone. The company has made it, now it’s time to give back to the hobby!

This is of course how any company pays for R&D. All good companies do this and without it we would be stuck with the same options for ever. Technology moves fast and companies either keep up or get left behind. Just ask blackberry about what happened when they slowed development and let other companies pass them by. Any time you buy the new gadget on the market you are funding R&D. If you don't like that buy the 2 year old version.

I don't own Radions but look at them every time they come out with a new version. I took my chances like you stated and bought cheap pumps when I started out. They of course failed because they were cheap, multiple people told me to spend the money on a better pump. Since trying the mp40 pumps I have had no issues and glad I spent the money. You get what you pay for and it seems that with ecotech you get a lot. The market will always determine if something is overpriced and apparently, for now, these are not.

 

[Billabong]

Ahh, I think I get it. I didn’t know that the consensus was , these pumps are superior. I never looked at it that way, innovative? Yes. Superior? no.
I used my korolias for 7+ years before I switched over to MP’s. They were reliable pumps and priced accordingly. These new Chinese pumps seem to be holding up to the hype as well.
So there is a difference in opinion here.

 

[Silver Sur4our]

The government should demand that echotech gives everyone new lights right now!!!

Can't believe people are upset about how a private company releases a new product. Apple does the same thing. I by a new phone and the following year apple creates a better version. At least echotech allows people the option to upgrade.

Echotech has a great product but the customer service is twice as good. Can't put a price on that.

 

[mkart]

Ahh, I think I get it. I didn’t know that the consensus was , these pumps are superior. I never looked at it that way, innovative? Yes. Superior? no. I used my korolias for 7+ years before I switched over to MP’s. They were reliable pumps and priced accordingly. These new Chinese pumps seem to be holding up to the hype as well. So there is a difference in opinion here.

I'm pretty sure you don't get it.

 

[GatorAlum05]

in 2004, I paid 1500 for a 32in samsung plasma

over this past black friday, I paid and I'm not even kidding, 118 dollars shipped on a 32in LED no brand from AMAZON. The pictures were almost identical.

You noticed what the difference is? lol
I don't believe I need to further discuss about the logic of what I just wrote. If you get it, you get it.

 

[ssdawood]

Lol Amazing, I was with this guy till he went on a rant about their customer service. Of course a company determined to provide excellent service will try to make money from something else.

No company offers customer service by kindness of heart. They all have that value built in the price of the products they sell.

 

[dc]

The point that I was trying to make is, ecotech uses their overpriced products to fuel their R&D with our dime. The reason they can continually improve on their product is because we pay for these lights 2-3 times over. I'm only speculating but the proof is there.
Do you think that they offer great customer service out of the kindness of their hearts? No. I've had my mp10 malfunction outside of my warranty period and they replaced the faulty pasts for free. Now that's great customer service. Have you ever really stopped to ask yourself how can they do that? It's because they charge more for the product than what it is really worth. If I had the choice, I personally would like to pay $95 and take my chances with the pump (and I'm pretty sure they are still making a profit at that price). However they have that MSRP that you can't stray from for $285.
The Part for my mp10 cost $32 plus S+H (and how much is that overpriced?) So if I paid a reasonable price for their pump I'd still be under half of what I really paid. I'm happy with that. I think, if we knew what it actually cost to make these products we'd be up in arms.
I understand that owning a product from ecotech is more of a status quo. If you proclaim that you own radions and MPs, people look at you in a different fashion. And because of the price a lot of people in the hobby can't afford it. The product separates us into classes and I think that is why their "œloyal customers" come to their defense. That and you're going to have angry people if the price dropped. What I would like to see is their future products become more affordable for everyone. The company has made it, now it's time to give back to the hobby!

LOL, just put Kindle instead of EchoTech and this post is exactly like all the Amazon posts every time a new kindle comes out. Guess what, I still have my very outdated kindle from 2010.

If you don't like their prices or service it's really simple IMO, don't buy. Bashing doesn't make them look bad.

 

[mallard]

LOL, just put Kindle instead of EchoTech and this post is exactly like all the Amazon posts every time a new kindle comes out. Guess what, I still have my very outdated kindle from 2010.

If you don't like their prices or service it's really simple IMO, don't buy. Bashing doesn't make them look bad.

Not just Amazon but any technology company... Apple, Google, Microsoft, Intel, Samsung and so on. If you're happy with what you have than you have no reason to upgrade. If you don't want to pay full price, pick up a used version or a competitors. I'm an early adopter of bleeding edge technology so I'm ok with paying for that. Not everyone is and for those people there is a different market segment. I for one am happy with fast iteration cycles so please keep it coming.

 

[Willistein]

Keeping up with the Joneses is kinda tough, huh?

 

[dwolson2]

Keeping up with the Joneses is kinda tough, huh?

Very....
The prices for leds have dropped, so the fixtures should too imho.

 

[Squidmotron]

Admit it. This is all some crazy money-making scheme isn't it?

I KNEW IT!

 

[Willistein]

supply and demand. Economics 101.

 

[sanababit]

Buy what you love, can afford, really need and always expect an upgrade along the way, this is true in life too, you can always upgrade the wife BUT its going to cost you, that in mind, i love you baby, just in case she reads

Sana

 

[xtlosx]

My big problem is the fact that they refuse to fix the damned website even tho its over 2 years now!! i mean seriously. Who keeps software in Beta for that long?? The answer NOBODY!!!!

There's this little company, not sure if you have heard of them.. Google? They kept Gmail in beta for how many years? Several...

Just sayin' and I use ecosmartlive.com ALL the time with zero issues, it's actually awesome.