ESV Salt Ratio's

Gagonzalez

Gagonzalez

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This question is for those who use ESV B-Ionic Salt.

I made my first batch of salt water last Wed and got the following for a 5g batch using their measuring supplies.

4.875g (Mixed to 1.0255/34ppt)
CA=440
ALK=9.5
MG=1350

I would like to be able mix to 1.0264/35ppt like I previously did and get the same levels as above.

What would I need to add???

Thanks
 
To raise salinity, you'd add more of the salt (salt and mag are the 'dry chemicals')
 
Randy is correct in that I would want my parameters the same. Two things are changing:
1. I'm adding 1/8g more water and
2. I would like to raise my salinity back to 1.0264
 
Oh that's the issue with this salt. At 35 ppt it's supercharged. With ca near 500 and alk 10 plus sometimes. I don't know if they reccomend just raising salinity with sodium chloride. Maybe that works.
 
The fact that you can add all the different parts separately is the advantage to this salt which is why I bought it. I just thought someone else would have gone through the same issue I am going through now on figuring out the ratio's correctly.

I will be doing another 5g's for my weekly water change soon. Will be measuring everything out and testing until I get my correct #'s this time and then stick to that routine. This will be the hardest part and then it should be smooth sailing everytime after this.
 
Gagonzalez said:
The fact that you can add all the different parts separately is the advantage to this salt which is why I bought it. I just thought someone else would have gone through the same issue I am going through now on figuring out the ratio's correctly...
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From conversations with the owner of ESV, I would say with the exception of salinity and maybe mag... The mix was intended to be made by the formula that was provided. Making 'your own formula' to 'get your correct #s' was not the reason for the separate components...if you do not mix the proper amount for liquid components, you are shorting trace elements from the salt mix.
 
In looking at the directions, the largest dry ingredient is the sodium chloride. Just add more of that to your desired salinity of 35 ppt.

It will cause things like potassium to be about 3% lower than it would be at 34 ppt, but that is not likely a problem (IMO).
 
albano said:
From conversations with the owner of ESV, I would say with the exception of salinity and maybe mag... The mix was intended to be made by the formula that was provided. Making 'your own formula' to 'get your correct #s' was not the reason for the separate components...if you do not mix the proper amount for liquid components, you are shorting trace elements from the salt mix.
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Could someone go a little more in depth about this? I currently have my own mix of ESV to create NSW levels. All 4 components are still in there obviously, but maybe a little less of one or another compared to what the typical mix calls for... That being said, I still don't understand how I'd be shorting trace elements in a negative manner. :hmm5: I mean, he doesn't recommend it because of why (I've never gotten a straight answer regarding this either)? Is a 3% less reading of potassium really un-recommended?
 
To me. Its keeping the ratios of elements to one another constant. So at 34 ppt the way they reccomend, the potassium and other elements relative to sodium is analytically correct. To me raising salinity by 3 per by just using sodium chloride changes that ratio. Will that matter. I have no idea. But when you add more salt of other brands to raise salinity you are adding everything in the correct proportion. Saltwater is one way. At 34 ppt and 35 ppt the ratios are the same. Just more concentrated.
 
Could someone go a little more in depth about this?

ESV is never going to tell you exactly what is in each part, so you won't be able to know exactly how much of what is a bit too high or too low if you do not follow the prescribed ratios.

That said, I think a 3% difference of anything is unimportant. :)
 
Randy Holmes-Farley said:
Could someone go a little more in depth about this?

ESV is never going to tell you exactly what is in each part, so you won't be able to know exactly how much of what is a bit too high or too low if you do not follow the prescribed ratios.

That said, I think a 3% difference of anything is unimportant. :)
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Randy,
Does this go back to limiting reagents in chemistry? Or am I going down the wrong path?
 
What I did to get desired levels was trial and error, basically.

I do weekly 7g waterchanges with RO/DI @ approximately 78F.

Here are three different tests from different water change batches over the past couple of months... I don't always test, but have a log of how much of what I'm putting in. I measure all components by their mass in grams. All testkits are Salifert brand besides Alk, which is the hanna checker.

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Checkout the 3rd batch:
Assuming that everything else is in relative equilibrium for NSW or somewhat higher levels (often aimed for by hobbyists), this tells me that approximately 95.9g/gallon on ESV NaCl will give you 1.026 sg. (671.2g/7gal=95.9g/gal).
210.6g/7gallon=30.1g/gal for MgSO4 ... Etc.

Also, the 3rd batch was from this morning, I figured I'd test for potassium since I usually don't on water change batches, 340ppm isn't too bad imo, but I bring up my display tank to ~400ppm anyways so I'm not worried about it. If potassium levels are infact reduced by 3% with these kinds of salt mixes (not following the exact volume or mass directions) then the typical mix might mix to ~350ppm.

I think these figures might help you to get the values that you're looking for. :)
 
OK. Thank You.

I will be experimenting today and tomorrow with making my next batch. I am just going to start with a typical 5g batch to keep all components in check and then add the Sodium Chloride until I hit 1.0264.

The way I see it, it will have EXACTLY the same levels of everything it would normally have for 5g@1.0255 with one exception. That exception being a little more of whatever the Sodium Chloride portion has IN THE SAME 5 Gallons of water.

I will post what levels I get when I'm done.

Thanks to everyone for your help.
 
Gagonzalez said:
OK. Thank You.

I will be experimenting today and tomorrow with making my next batch. I am just going to start with a typical 5g batch to keep all components in check and then add the Sodium Chloride until I hit 1.0264.

The way I see it, it will have EXACTLY the same levels of everything it would normally have for 5g@1.0255 with one exception. That exception being a little more of whatever the Sodium Chloride portion has IN THE SAME 5 Gallons of water.

I will post what levels I get when I'm done.

Thanks to everyone for your help.
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Fwiw,

About 6 weeks ago I was finishing bringing down my Calcium levels in my display tank through routine waterchanges with adjusted levels. I had let the calcium reactor go too much for too long with minimal corals, therefore calcium levels raised to 600+!!!

To still do waterchanges, (but with low calcium) I made adjustments to some of the ESV components...

I had to raise NaCl by about 100g (from my previous post amounts) and MgSO4 about 100g. Part A (Ca) was abotu 200g lower and Part B (Alk) remained consistent with pictured table.

What I'm trying to portray here is: what I figured out is that you can't change just one component, typically you have to change two (in my case) to regulate what you want with another.

Maybe this is what ESV was talking about? As far as not changing their values??? With reliable test kits it's okay, yeah?
 
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