First Albino Marine fish worldwide made in SA

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15726246#post15726246 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by OrionN
I don't think this is quite fair. You may like or dislike the albino coloration, but there is no argue that these fish are essentially perfect in shape. I don't see any deformity at all, not even mild flare gill. For sure these fish are well breed and care for. I think the masterbreeder deserve credit and any financial reward they may bring.
Good luck masterbreeder
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Thank you very much. I also think, either you like it or not. But here on this board, the people are very nasty with their comments. Would like to know why. If you take a look at the variety of freshwater albinos and they are still popular. I also don´t like the majority of these albinos. If you don´t like it, don´t buy it.

To be honest, there are a few albinos with deformities in the bone structure behind the gill cover. I don´t know the right words in english. These deformities are a result of a lack in vitamin C.
The first batch clowns I ever raised, showed this albino strain. Nobody told me about the importance of vitamin C in early stages. Now, I know about it and the albinos, that are going to be sold, will be from a good quality. The thing with breeding is also, I raised the last few batches with 95% survival rate, weak or unhealthy larvae would never have a chance in the wild. Even albinos. But with the knowledge we have about raising clowns, we also raise the weak larvae. If the genes in the larvae are not perfect enough for survival in the wild, in our systems, they got a very good chance to survive. I got normal ocellaris offspring and from the same batch, the perfect looking one is only 2cm long and the missbared one is more than double the size. How is that possible?

Another thing you guys should know is, what my plans are for the future.
Hopefully, I can make enough money from the albinos, so I musnt worry about my financials.
I believe, that for everything what happen in life, there is a reason.
It starts with the facts. A German must move to South Africa to breed his first clowns ever and raised after 40 years of breeding, the first albino strain ever. Another thing, raising clowns is one thing, but the survival rate is another story. I raised the first batch with 70% survival rate and after the 3rd and 4th I had around 95%. I am very practical and my targets are always very high.
I closed my studies with breeding clowns and opened my studies with breeding peppermint shrimps. The fastest settlement reported so far for peppermints is 20 or 21 days. I will drop the time down to two weeks. Totally new technique and nutrition. If I am successful, the next species will be the fire shrimp. A friend of mine, a marine biologist said, he would not be surprised if I am successful.
He bred many species already and he is the only person who knows, how I want to raise the shrimps and drop the time until settlement by a third.
I also get every week more than 1000 larvae from my yellow belly damsels. My mandarins also spawning on a weekly basis.
There are so many secrets in terms of breeding marines.

Take it like that. Every sold albino within the next two years will help me to discover the secrets, to find the trigger for this and for that. I am very passionate about marine breeding.
Besides the shrimps, I will raise mandarins with high survival rate and without wild caught plankton, to get the basic knowledge of raising free spawners. Next target will be flame angels and if I get that right, next step will be tangs.
Sounds crazy, but if I only can focus on the studies for the next 10 to 15 years and I musnt think of money, I should be successful, or?

A few people might think, he raised by luck the first albinos and now he think he is the masterbreeder. masterbreeder is just a name that keeps me motivated. By the way, by trade I am a masterplumber.

With more support and less nasty comments, we could maybe all participate from my future studies. Wouldn´t it be brilliant, if we could raise any shrimp, any damsel, any angel or tang?
Saving the environment needs lots of money and lots of hours for studies.

Just keep all your fingers cross for my future, it will help our future.

Thanks, and keep on posting.
You can´t hurt me with nasty comments and you can´t stop the albinos from becoming popular.

Marcel
 
It is too easy to breed albino clowns once one have the strain. If I am Marcel, I would only sell baby clowns. If some adult clowns reach the market, with in one year, there will be other albino baby from other sources
 
From what I know, the shrimps need chemical signal to settle. Unless they get specific chemical cue, they won't metamorphous into small shrimp and just stay as larvae. University of Texas Marine Science Institute able to breed these shrimp, both skunk cleaner and fire shrimp, and have a paper on this. Here is a page where they published this. If you can get your hand on this paper, Marcel, you should be able to breed them.
http://146.6.184.140/people/staff/gjholt/faml/research_ornamentals.asp
I know that GCreef (gcreef.com here in Corpus Christi) is breeding both of these shrimp species right now, but not reach the sale able stage just yet. One of their marine biologist is a PhD candidate at UT MSI, from what I know, know these procedure well.
The question is whether someone can raise these animal cheap enough to compete with wild caught shrimp.
Several species that can be tank raise but not for commercials included Madarin dragonet, Marine Beta, various damsels, some small angels (flame, lemon peel, ect..). I know they can be spawn and raised but not done commercially. University of Hawaii, and UT MSI successful raised these in the past. Various Dottyback species are reared and sold by ORA and CQuest, to name a few.
Anyway, this is neither here or there. Just though I give Marcel some information. I will stop here.
 
Marcel, you can't take offense of negative comments. It's the internet and people are just voicing opinions. With the amount of people on this board there's going to be people that aren't going to like them. That's a given.

Secondly, we really need to not turn this into a commercial thread. It's a fine line.

Thirdly, if I saw them in a store, I'd buy them.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15726559#post15726559 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by masterbreeder
Thank you very much. I also think, either you like it or not. But here on this board, the people are very nasty with their comments. Would like to know why. .....
Marcel
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Don't mind them. This is a big board and people just say what they say. Some, a few I hope, just say senseless things without any logical reason. Some just plain mean and like to be hurtful. It is a huge board you just have to accept the good with the bad.
 
Sorry Marcel, I thought you asked what do you think of the albino's & I don't like the look of them. The platinum clowns sell for $300.00 a pair & I wouldn't take them for free. Not trying to be nasty, just being up front with you, good luck with them.
 
Hallo Marcel, I am sorry, too. I didn't wanted to upset you either. Just don't like the look of albino fish, birds etc. Hope you will find buyers overseas and make some money. Viel Glueck.
 
Hi guys,

I have to make a point.

I am not angry and I am not cross or hurt in any way.

Everybody can say what he wants to. I know, a lot of people love the albinos, a lot of them think they just cool and a lot of them totally dislike them. Nothing wrong with that.

And yes, I want to know what you guys think of these albinos.

But if a very ugly lady will ask you to go with you out for dinner, what would you say?

Sorry, but I am very busy or I am in a relationship or something similar.

Or would you say, if I have to eat in front of your ugly face, I am going to vomit into my soup. I don´t think so.

You can say the same thing in different ways, but you should always treat the people, like you want to be treated.

Thanks and now carry on posting please.

Marcel
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15725880#post15725880 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tufacody
Out of curiosity, were the eggs white? I have a pair of spawning occs but no matter how well I feed them the eggs aren't orange. They do develop normally though, I just haven't tried raising the larvae.
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No, the eggs look like the normal eggs. At a later stage in the egg, before hatching you should see the difference with a microscope.
But it is very easy to see the difference after they hatched.

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Guys,

I am really imprest. The last thing I expected was apologies.
Can you believe it. I accept all the apologies.
At least you guys got the heart at the right place.
 
Sometimes things just don't cross over in print, or on computer. :D
 
how well will they live in a brightly lit tanks like halides. most animals that lack pigment or albino do not fair well in bright light.. other than predation cause they stick out.. the sun is the other reason why most albino animals dont make it in the wild
 
First of all, I don't want this to sound like an attack or criticism, but here's what I am wondering about:

Recent studies on the barrier reef indicate that large hosting nems have experienced an 80% drop in the number of their resident clownfish over the last decade, and most of this is attributed to collection for our hobby. I firmly believe that the future of our hobby, and maybe even the oceans, depends on captive breeding, and so I highly praise anyone making an effort to do so.

However, I do consider albinism a genetic imperfection. Yes, it is a natural one, and one that has continued in the wild, but certainly the rarity of it would indicate that it has not been a successful trait in general, nor does it seem to give any advantages. How these animals will fare under captive-lighting is yet to be seen.

I am concerned about whether genetic imperfections should be fostered in captive-bred fish, especially since our near future may limit us to captive-bred fish only. Again, I'm not taking a stand on this, but I do wonder about it, and whether those breeding for the market have some responsibility to keep the fish genetically healthy. I worry about the day where captive bred fish are designed only for their "imperfections", because it is those imperfections that make them unique, and thus expensive.

You can clearly see how failure to address this issue has affected other species that have been domesticated and captively bred, especially dogs. I'd like to see some sort of "guideline" developed that breeders should keep in mind when propgating a species.

Again, I do not mean to imply anything about masterbreeder or these clownfish. Its just a concern that keeps popping into my own mind, expecially since captive-bred strains may soon be the hobbyists' only access to marine animals.
 
The last few posts raise some very valid questions that are likely to be answered as time goes by. One thing we can do, however, is look over at our FW brethren and their experiences with albino/amelanistic traits. I by absolutely no means know the ins-and-outs of FW planted tanks, but I do know that there seems to be a large number of albino-variant fish available.

I also wonder if albino is an isolated trait in fish, or if this is linked to any other genetic markers making them more susceptible to light, unable to host nems, blind....the list goes on. From the posts in this thread thus far, I think we are safe to say that masterbreeder is hopefully optimistic on these fish - but not without caution to ensure the health of these fish. If they show to be disease prone, or have other genetic flaws it seems like he would make efforts to breeding said fish by carefully selectively breeding those that show amelanistic traits but not the detrimental health flaws.

Hopefully masterbreeder continues to update us, and we continue this really good thread. I appreciate how long it has already gone without huge flaming wars. Keep up the good work everyone, and this will be a learning experience for us all!
 
Thank you, thank you.

I agree, after the last few posts, the air is cleaned up, the smoke is gone and the mind works more towards science.
I will keep you guys updated. Especially about the light sensitivity or non light sensitivity. For sure, its the first albino marine strain and we can only guess, what might be or not. We, especially I, have to proof all these things and publish it.

And I agree, we have to breed whatever possible, to save the wild.
Hopefully, we will find the trigger for an early settlement for shrimps, etc. Banggai cardinals is another story, I actually made a drawing from a new banggai breeding tank. I did not have the time to build it, but I am sure it will work.
Banggais should not be kept as pairs for broodstock.
The female can produce 50 to 60 eggs every second week. She stresses the poor male, after 2 weeks carrying the 1st batch, even with more eggs. And when he releases, she comes again with more.
I keep 20 young (5months old) cardinals in a 100 litre tank and they mate, carrying eggs and mate, and so on. To much stress for the poor men in there. So Banggais should be bred with 3 or 4 male and one female. Saves space, broodstock and every second week we can add the new batch to the older to learn from them.


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But I dont understand why the people still need wild caught clowns in high quantities. They are cheaper maybe, depending at the country. Here in South Africa is not one commercial marine ornamental breeder, that´s why I started this whole story.
If I had enough money to drop my job, I could breed thousands of fish and shrimps every month for South Africa. Can you believe it.
They just started here with food fish hatcheries. The sea is almost empty, the penguins stopped breeding because of a lack in food.

Everything is profit orientated and the environment is unimportant. But for what reason we have kids, if we dont care about our planet?
 
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