First Albino Marine fish worldwide made in SA
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romsoccer12
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when i turn my lights on from my tank my clown looks just like these except the eyes. are there any clowns like this in the wild?
masterbreeder
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That´s the best part. They are only available as captive bred, which means, it will have a positive impact on the environment.
masterbreeder
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I´m not so sure if I understand your question right. I got one strain of albinos, but I am able the produce them in two different colours as you can see in the last pictures. I am not so sure, if everybody opens up the new pictures.
From the orange albino parents I get 25% albinos and 75% regular ocellaris. Roughly, sometimes only 15%, because here and there, the eggs were eaten up. So I got my problems with producing quantity. The last two batches hatched, but the larvae never made it to the surface and died just after hatching. I still can´t figure out why. The regular larvae ends up as cardinal food.
Yes, they fight when two females want to get rid of their eggs at the same time. I separated 3 pairs already.
masterbreeder
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Thanks for your offer. I try to sort things out, like permits for export etc, asap.
The first release will be ready by March next year. Hope I get the legal things right by then. Will post later, were you guys can send your offers for the first releases.
Folks,
This is a discussion forum, not a place for discussing trades, sales, offers, etc.
Keep it clean or the thread will need to be closed.
Thank you.
This is a discussion forum, not a place for discussing trades, sales, offers, etc.
Keep it clean or the thread will need to be closed.
Thank you.
velvetelvis
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They're interesting little fish. I was also wondering about their possible sensitivity to MH and other intense lighting...on the other hand, that might make them ideal for a non-photosynthetic tank. The red eyes are a little disconcerting, but otherwise the fish look normal and healthy, IMO; their bodies and heads are a nice natural shape, and the coloration is actually quite pretty.
I'm old-fashioned and tend not to care for anything more "designer" than misbars (which are naturally occurring, I know), but honestly I don't see where these fish are any worse than a lot of the specialty clownfish that are so pricey and popular--platinums, nakeds, "stubbies", etc. (and really, I think the "stubbies" are just awful. The last thing a responsible breeder should do is perpetuate deformities--ORA just had a marketing genius who figured out a way to make money off of culls, if you ask me.) But humans love novelty and status, and some people will pay big bucks to own an animal that no one else does.
I'm old-fashioned and tend not to care for anything more "designer" than misbars (which are naturally occurring, I know), but honestly I don't see where these fish are any worse than a lot of the specialty clownfish that are so pricey and popular--platinums, nakeds, "stubbies", etc. (and really, I think the "stubbies" are just awful. The last thing a responsible breeder should do is perpetuate deformities--ORA just had a marketing genius who figured out a way to make money off of culls, if you ask me.) But humans love novelty and status, and some people will pay big bucks to own an animal that no one else does.
tanglovers
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If the albino trait works like in other animals. 66.7% (2/3) of the normal offspring will carry the albino trait. The remaining 1/3 will not. This will make the normal ocellaris more valuable if you advertise/sell them as 2/3 chance of het for albino.
masterbreeder
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Everything you wrote is correct. The problem with selling the orange gen carriers is, I don´t which one got the gen defect and which one is normal.
That´s why I decided to do selective breeding. Albino larvae gets raised, regular larvae gets fed to the cardinals.
You buy for example four regular ones from the albino offspring, say for 100 bucks each. Now you had bad luck and all your offspring is normal. The chance to get 4 normal ocellaris, instead of a mix with gen carrier, is quite high.
You are cross with me or the supplier, because you spend 400 bucks for 4 normal ocellaris. That will put me or the local supplier in the position, we sold on purpose normal ocellaris. That´s not good for business, even you had just bad luck. So rather we keep it clean and you pay for a pair albinos.
OrionN
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What about using only albino clownfish as broodstock (100% albino offspring), or an albino and a heterozygous genotype clown fish (50% albino offspring and 50% heterozygous). Are albino not able to produce good viable offspring? If this is the care you are in luck since if the albino fish are effectively sterile and if you can keep the heterozygous fish from enter the market, no one else will be able to produce any albino.
OrionN
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I actually don't think that albino are sterile since there are lot of other albino fish out there of other species that are not sterile. I guess that albino likely weaker than the normal phenotype fish and does not make good brood stock. Regardless, I think Masterbreeder is entitle to any profit from bringing the albino Ocellaris to the reefing community. If albino clown fish are effectively sterile, than he is just lucky and he would be crazy not to take advantage of it.
masterbreeder
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That´s a tough one. What the hell is heterozygous genotype ?
Guys, be gentle with those words, I am German.
To answer your question, I got no idea if albinos are able to produce good or any offsprings. I will find out when they should be matured enough. It seems to me, that I won´t be able to keep up with the demand just with that one pair. To be honest, I was not thinking that far yet, if the albinos are sterile, I have to keep the orange gen carrier off the market for keeping my monopoly life long. You made a point. If they are really sterile, I could breed albinos until my albino parents stop spawning. Which can happen every day, they not the youngest fish anymore.
10 years is not ideal for broodstock. That might be an explanation for a few poor spawns in between a few good spawns. In the middle of this year, they were sick and I thought, I am going to loose them.
For pairing albino with albino, it is still to early. They are not old enough to reproduce themselves.
masterbreeder
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If that will be the case, I really should play the LOTTO on a weekly basis.
I was very lucky to get the worlds first marine albinos. This kind of luck again?
You never know.
jdwreefer
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Neat fish. I like them, but my god those EYES!!
Heterozygous means the fish carries both the normal and albino (or whatever you want to call it) gene. The fish looks "normal" but can have babies that are albino if it mates with another fish that also has the albino gene.
Heterozygous means the fish carries both the normal and albino (or whatever you want to call it) gene. The fish looks "normal" but can have babies that are albino if it mates with another fish that also has the albino gene.
OrionN
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Phenotype- What the animal look like
Genotype- What gene the animal carry
Heterozygous genotype carry one normal on one chromosome and one recessive gene in the other chromosome (albino in this case)
Homozygous genotype carry the same gene on both chromeosomes (either normal or the mutation)
I think albino is a recessive gene. A fish only appears albino if it have both albino gene and no normal gene. It it have two normal or a normal and a albino gene then it appears as a normal fish, or normal phenotype.
Genotype- What gene the animal carry
Heterozygous genotype carry one normal on one chromosome and one recessive gene in the other chromosome (albino in this case)
Homozygous genotype carry the same gene on both chromeosomes (either normal or the mutation)
I think albino is a recessive gene. A fish only appears albino if it have both albino gene and no normal gene. It it have two normal or a normal and a albino gene then it appears as a normal fish, or normal phenotype.
