First Albino Marine fish worldwide made in SA

he posted pics of an albino fairy wrasse.

this might be the first albino tank bred clowns but deffinately not the first albino marine fish in the hobby- its most likely a translation thing but the topic, in english, suggests that no other albino fish has ever been in the hobby.
 
Somebody should develop a leucocystic clownfish - they would probably be light colored with blue eyes (think white tigers)...albino eyes always look freakish.

Jay
 
There are multiple genes that can cause albinism. The best example of this is in leopard geckos, where there are currently three known types. As far as I know all albino phenotypes are expressed through recessive inheritance. I also don't know of any sterility issues with albinism. That is not to say they may be carrying other mal-traits. It is important for younger/new to the topic to understand that albino doesn't mean white, but the lack of melanin (no black pigments). Remember that albino animals have severe problems with light during their development. Consider this fact when purchasing one of these for your halide lit tanks, as blindness is a common occurrence for albinos. Still they are neat, and I would love to see them crossed with the melanistic variety (black white ones x albino = crazy).
 
Personally, not my thing, but I will never take anything away from a successful marine fish breeder.

Of course, in my opinion the rarest clown is one that is a perfect holotype :) In almost all cases, I can still tell at a glance whether a clown I see in the LFS is wild caught or captive bred and raised.
 
In my opinion you dont have true albino clows. You have what appears to be ocular albinism, a lack of pigment in the eyes. There appears to be some lack of pigment throughout the rest of the body as well but it appears very minimal. Yes you can classify your fish as albino due to the clear signs of albinism.

Due to the lack of pigment in the eyes of your clown fish I believe they would suffer from severe issues in high lighting tanks. This could be easy to solved however with the introduction of several shaded spots throughout the tank.

I think these are much better looking then alot of the other so called rare color clowns. It should be very interesting to see if you can continue to breed them and the end result being a 100% albino.

Congrats on the very cool clowns.
 
bohannbj said:
Still they are neat, and I would love to see them crossed with the melanistic variety (black white ones x albino = crazy).
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I can disappoint you on that one.
Black and white ocellaris crossed with albino ocellaris will end up in the same result!
Why? Offspring from normal ocellaris and black ocellaris looks exactely the same. After a few weeks the blacks starting to turn brownish and the will be pure black and white once they reached maturity. So the black is sort of on overlay of the orange. If the dark pigmentation is missing, there will be no overlay. Which means, it will be no pure white albino from this crossbreed.
 
I guess I need to explain myself better. Since both traits are recessive, you can't get the the double morph in one generation. I'll use: A & M=normal; a=albino; m=melanistic. First you have to breed an albino [aa x MM] to a melanistic [AA x mm]. Take those babies [Aa x Mm] and breed them back to each other. At this point you have the chance [1/16] of getting the target [aa x mm] an albino melanistic. The terms are a paradox in that no melanin will be present in its phenotype. Basically you are going to have what looks like an axanthic clown [axanthic means no orange/red]. The melanistic genes "turn" the orange into black, and the albino genes "turn" the black into white. Effectively this gives you a perfectly clean, all white clown with pink eyes.
 
Most likely the true albino would be pink with pink eyes-following the example of most all other true albino fish. Albino is absent of all pigment. People have just become used to not using the term correctly. A amelenistic animal is not a albino anymore than a melenistic animal is a black albino. I know I am just being picky- but I have bred thousands of color phases over the years,in diffrent animals.
 
Albino doesn't mean devoid of all pigment, just black pigment (melanin). Amelanistic is the scientific term for albino (a = not; melanin = black pigment; istic = sounds smart). Just google the definition if you want more detail. The easiest thing to do is look at some reptile breeder pages. They have been working with albinos and axanthics for a long time.
 
The reptile breeders are the ones that started the dumbing down of the terms. No big deal but I have been through enough genetics classes to know that amelenistic is not the same definition as albino. I have been doing color phase reptile work since 1982- so I was around for all that name nonsense. I think the key is that amelenistic mammals are albinos- because melenine is the only pigment they posses-wheras snakes fishes etc have other pigments involved.
 
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syrinx said:
The reptile breeders are the ones that started the dumbing down of the terms. No big deal but I have been through enough genetics classes to know that amelenistic is not the same definition as albino. I have been doing color phase reptile work since 1982- so I was around for all that name nonsense. I think the key is that amelenistic mammals are albinos- because melenine is the only pigment they posses-wheras snakes fishes etc have other pigments involved.
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I want to be clear I am writing this in a polite and confused tone. I taught this for three years and pulled my information out of a biology text book, not to mention definitions from credible web dictionaries. Can you please provide where your sources are that contradict mine so I can see what you are talking about. The only reason I stay on this is that the understanding of genetic terms are vital to understanding this thread and its future implications.
 
I have no need to be right either- and hope not to have seemed antagonistic! I take my definition from my experience and memory-but a quick look at websters dictionary or the online dictionarys I found in a brief glance agree more with my def-especially if you compare albino against amelenistic. I remember back when the reptile color phase thing started_ think it was 82 when tom crutchfield had his famous $10k "albino(amel)" burmese python- thats when the whole what is a albino debate started with me. I personally- right or wrong-believe that a animal lacking melenine is not a albino-unless it is a human or higher mammal. A leucistic parakeet to me is a pure yellow bird with red eyes- not a yellow albino.
 
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