(First Reef Tank Ever) **** 600gal Display **** 1300gal System
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cbui2
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9765778#post9765778 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jnarowe
yeah, I tried to source 316 screws for my skimmer and reactors and had a tough time. My SS tables are rusting as we chat.
they have them at lowes, stainless steel with coating on them designed for wood and will not rust. i will get the name when i make it home.
Richard DeChamplain
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dialyseas
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jnarowe,
I would be happy to give you my input on the dialyseas unit. You can PM me and would gladly speak to you about the unit.
It has been my experience over the years ( as you ascertained from Ken Feldmans article) that there is a sceptical prejudice against this device on reefcentral. Kens "scientific" article was esspecially guilty of this. In fact in his conclusions he actually states that the unit delivers on all accounts then states:
I am less favorably inclined toward the value of its dialysis-based purification capability, despite the fact that this purification function appears to be the primary selling point advertised by Seavisions. The data support the conclusion that the Dialyseas can, in fact, deplete the aquarium water of undesired contaminants without causing ionic imbalances in other desirable water components. However, the concentrations of undesirable metabolites (ammonium, nitrate, nitrite, phosphate, etc.) that it removes are typically so low in a mature reef tank under standard operating conditions that the extra purification by the dialysis process seems, perhaps, to be overkill. On the other hand, the concurrent removal of desirable solutes, in particular calcium, seems like a big downside as it places added pressure on the calcium input devices (Dialyseas concentrated salt solution, Nilsen reactor, calcium reactor, others?) to keep up.
What is that all about. Does any one out there with mature reef tank think that " removing ammonium,nitrate,nitrite,phosphate,etc" to Zero is in any way "overkill"? I mean isn't that what we do?
And we all Know that "Pressure on the Calcium devices" is a side effect of succesful coral growth regardless of the filtration/water husbandry used.
Also Ken's tank in the article is far from a mature reef tank. Look at his pics and then look at my gallery.
jnarowe I apologize if this seems to have turned into a bash Ken's article post but passing off a bias in disguise of a scientific article is deplorable in my opinion. especially since the article got passesed on through to reef keeping magazine therfore elluding to some validity . The bias should have been edited.
I have no financial or business ties to Sea Visions but I have used a dialyseas unit for nine years now and would never build another tank without one.
dialyseas
jnarowe,
I would be happy to give you my input on the dialyseas unit. You can PM me and would gladly speak to you about the unit.
It has been my experience over the years ( as you ascertained from Ken Feldmans article) that there is a sceptical prejudice against this device on reefcentral. Kens "scientific" article was esspecially guilty of this. In fact in his conclusions he actually states that the unit delivers on all accounts then states:
I am less favorably inclined toward the value of its dialysis-based purification capability, despite the fact that this purification function appears to be the primary selling point advertised by Seavisions. The data support the conclusion that the Dialyseas can, in fact, deplete the aquarium water of undesired contaminants without causing ionic imbalances in other desirable water components. However, the concentrations of undesirable metabolites (ammonium, nitrate, nitrite, phosphate, etc.) that it removes are typically so low in a mature reef tank under standard operating conditions that the extra purification by the dialysis process seems, perhaps, to be overkill. On the other hand, the concurrent removal of desirable solutes, in particular calcium, seems like a big downside as it places added pressure on the calcium input devices (Dialyseas concentrated salt solution, Nilsen reactor, calcium reactor, others?) to keep up.
What is that all about. Does any one out there with mature reef tank think that " removing ammonium,nitrate,nitrite,phosphate,etc" to Zero is in any way "overkill"? I mean isn't that what we do?
And we all Know that "Pressure on the Calcium devices" is a side effect of succesful coral growth regardless of the filtration/water husbandry used.
Also Ken's tank in the article is far from a mature reef tank. Look at his pics and then look at my gallery.
jnarowe I apologize if this seems to have turned into a bash Ken's article post but passing off a bias in disguise of a scientific article is deplorable in my opinion. especially since the article got passesed on through to reef keeping magazine therfore elluding to some validity . The bias should have been edited.
I have no financial or business ties to Sea Visions but I have used a dialyseas unit for nine years now and would never build another tank without one.
melev
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9766884#post9766884 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cbui2
thanks marc. thought you seen that from the beginning, 3 light recessed fixtures installed..
You <u>do</u> realize I've slept since then, right?
Hopefully they will be bright enough. I know one person that had his lights swing back into the fishroom (90 degrees) and had a couple of MH mounted to the ceiling to still give him excellent lighting while being completely out of the way.<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9510416#post9510416 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cbui2
ok finally done with the stand for weekend, starting on all equipment next and wanted to know if I should feed my skimmer and fluidized reactors along with overflows, then gravity back to sump or should I run skimmer and reactor on pump...and if I did run pump on them and is it possible to plumb them with overflows also but with ball valves so just in case the pump loses power, then I switch ball valve off that running on pumps and letting overflows take over for the mean time when pump will be returning back to me....this is just me thinking of this scenario for fail safe and is it safe to something like that.. also have 200gal reservoir for ro/di tank and is it ok to leave outside the house instead of taking more room in my garage, completely covered with removable lid.
How big is the tank on the second level, and what are the dimentions? Almost looks like an elongated 40 breeder.
Cprowler
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9767327#post9767327 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by melev
You <u>do</u> realize I've slept since then, right?
Fudge has something similar, page 6 I think but all 12 are worth a look.
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cbui2
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9767327#post9767327 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by melev
You <u>do</u> realize I've slept since then, right?
lol thanks marc, yes they are bright enough 100w had me sweating couple times working near them, since my the garage height is 105" which leaves me maybe about 27" to work with the canopy so sliding back toward the fish room is out of the questions, also I am not the smallest guy 5'11" 200lbs so give you an idea how much support I needed when building the walkaround my tank..:lol: I didn't want to ruin the coral or drop the fish when i fall down:eek2: :rolleye1:
Richard DeChamplain
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cads selfcleaning filter
cads selfcleaning filter
the self cleaning filter is the cads unit not the dialyseas unit. I dont have one of these ....yet. I have one on standby/preordered but my current plumbing configuration does not allow a cads unit.
I will get some new photos up soon for you guys to see. Of note I recently tore (sp) down my show tank to the bones and restarted. I will post photos right before the tear down and now. The corals had grown too much and I apparently started with my rock too high (corals were exposed at ebb tide) and I could no longer get my arm into the tank in several locations to scrape coraline, rescue upside down snails etc. Plus I couldn't add new stuff (the fun part of the hobbie) So tear down, restack, give away lots of goodies, start anew.
The CADS unit is awsome especially in high biolode tanks. Sea World is acctually using one of these units on one of those cylindrical tanks with the thousands of schooling fish swimming in circles and it is the only mechanical filtration used and the tank is crystal clear. They used to have a video that showed the funk from the screen and You could actually see parisites/plankton in the retrieved filtrate.
The noise I believe is minimal, the shop vac only runs when the screen needs cleaning and the shop vac like device is just a micro shop vac. from what i've seen the water noise is louder than vacuum. In addition I think the newest cads unit cleans itself in a different fashion without a shopvac, and has the added bonus of being able to offer the user a mechanism to add renewable chemical filtration automatically as well,like carbon etc.
cads selfcleaning filter
the self cleaning filter is the cads unit not the dialyseas unit. I dont have one of these ....yet. I have one on standby/preordered but my current plumbing configuration does not allow a cads unit.
I will get some new photos up soon for you guys to see. Of note I recently tore (sp) down my show tank to the bones and restarted. I will post photos right before the tear down and now. The corals had grown too much and I apparently started with my rock too high (corals were exposed at ebb tide) and I could no longer get my arm into the tank in several locations to scrape coraline, rescue upside down snails etc. Plus I couldn't add new stuff (the fun part of the hobbie) So tear down, restack, give away lots of goodies, start anew.
The CADS unit is awsome especially in high biolode tanks. Sea World is acctually using one of these units on one of those cylindrical tanks with the thousands of schooling fish swimming in circles and it is the only mechanical filtration used and the tank is crystal clear. They used to have a video that showed the funk from the screen and You could actually see parisites/plankton in the retrieved filtrate.
The noise I believe is minimal, the shop vac only runs when the screen needs cleaning and the shop vac like device is just a micro shop vac. from what i've seen the water noise is louder than vacuum. In addition I think the newest cads unit cleans itself in a different fashion without a shopvac, and has the added bonus of being able to offer the user a mechanism to add renewable chemical filtration automatically as well,like carbon etc.
reefinmike
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wow... im defenitally following this... jealous
cbui2
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ok today updates, a total of 8 layers spar coated the inside of the light rack and the support of the slides 2x10, will do the same on the outside for tomorrow. outside coating will received the same treatment then will be ready for assembly sunday.
PFO Single HQI Ballast- 3 pc's
Lumenarc III Reflectors
for these ballast what bulbs works the best.
PFO Single HQI Ballast- 3 pc's
Lumenarc III Reflectors
for these ballast what bulbs works the best.
ReefDoctorMicromussas
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Such a Sweet System man WOW... what are you doing for live rock?
jnarowe
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cbui2: It looks like those slides are actually zinc coated not stainless steel, unless I read the spec. sheet wrong. They are also spec'd with steel bearings. You can expect this unit to rust regardless of whether they get splashed with SW or not. Boxing them in may be a good idea.
And BTW, I doubt Lowes has anything that is 316 stainless. They certainly do not have fasteners that are. Believe me I looked several times. The only place that I have found 316 is through Fastenal. And let me tell you, I own a store that sells a wide variety of marine products including tons of stuff in SS. Almost all of it is 18-8.
I am going to caution you in advance that I don't think the three recessed cans will be enough ambient light over your tank to work in it when the lamp fixture is slid out of the way. Just my experience, but with the depth of water and the low spread of the recessed lights, you may find it inadequate.
Richard DeChamplain: I appreciate your chiming in. I wouldn't be concerned with the paragraph you quoted but rather his discussion of possible over-salting of the water. I have been looking to get myself out of the home consumer type of RO/DI system and go to something more robust. I have even thought about using a marine de-salinator.
The dialyseas is interesting to me but I really need to see more about it, and probably wouldn't buy one unless I got to see one installed in person. When I bought my ACIII Pro I basically bought it blind because no one in my area had one for me to look at. Hence there were a couple surprises. It's a good product but I was surprised that it could only handle a limited number of probes. Neptune has come out with add-on modules now, so that point is moot. I also bought the Vortechs essentially sight unseen and they have cuased me a great deal of pain. Those issues seem to be all worked out, but there were many issues that really got me down.
I also agree that reviewing any system equipment on an immature reef is a bit misleading. There are too many variables to get a scientific base line. Guys that review new products for published articles really should have a very mature system as the testing ground. Thanks again!
And BTW, I doubt Lowes has anything that is 316 stainless. They certainly do not have fasteners that are. Believe me I looked several times. The only place that I have found 316 is through Fastenal. And let me tell you, I own a store that sells a wide variety of marine products including tons of stuff in SS. Almost all of it is 18-8.
I am going to caution you in advance that I don't think the three recessed cans will be enough ambient light over your tank to work in it when the lamp fixture is slid out of the way. Just my experience, but with the depth of water and the low spread of the recessed lights, you may find it inadequate.
Richard DeChamplain: I appreciate your chiming in. I wouldn't be concerned with the paragraph you quoted but rather his discussion of possible over-salting of the water. I have been looking to get myself out of the home consumer type of RO/DI system and go to something more robust. I have even thought about using a marine de-salinator.
The dialyseas is interesting to me but I really need to see more about it, and probably wouldn't buy one unless I got to see one installed in person. When I bought my ACIII Pro I basically bought it blind because no one in my area had one for me to look at. Hence there were a couple surprises. It's a good product but I was surprised that it could only handle a limited number of probes. Neptune has come out with add-on modules now, so that point is moot. I also bought the Vortechs essentially sight unseen and they have cuased me a great deal of pain. Those issues seem to be all worked out, but there were many issues that really got me down.
I also agree that reviewing any system equipment on an immature reef is a bit misleading. There are too many variables to get a scientific base line. Guys that review new products for published articles really should have a very mature system as the testing ground. Thanks again!
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