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Well, I ordered the fish this AM.

They showed up tonite.. 8pm.

Just got through putting them all in.

This is what I got so far..

1 BiColor Angel
1 Lemonpeel Angel
2 L Lawnmower Blenny's
4 XL Scooters
2 Twinspot Gobys
1 Yellow Eye Spotted Tang
2 XL Yellow Tangs
4 Emerald Crabs
50 Red Hermits
4 Sally Lightfoots
50 Zebra Hermits
3 Sea Hares (These are Cool)
50 Astrea Snails
50 Tropical Turbo Snails
2 Black Brittle Stars

And they all showed up alive!!

That said, the Snails are going to town.. The crabs went right to work eating algea..

Anyways.. Thought I'd share :)

--paul
 
From where did you get your order that it came in the same day? That is a lot of stuff for a very young tank. Is your pod population big enough for all of those scooters?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7769679#post7769679 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by aztbs
From where did you get your order that it came in the same day? That is a lot of stuff for a very young tank. Is your pod population big enough for all of those scooters?
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A provider in LA..

I have a POD explosion.. So, hopefully, yes there will be enough.. either way, I'm sure I'll be feeding them regular food as well.

It's really not that many fish..

The crabs/snails just are going to town on the algae tho.

--paul
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7769890#post7769890 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kirstenk
I really Really REALLY hope you are a troll.
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We're you referring to me? I'm not a troll. But.....

either way, the fish seem to have all settled in.

Everyone seems to be getting along swimmingly.. (pun intended)

I'll be taking plenty of pictures shortly..

And my water params are still good.. I had a small (ever so small) ammonia reading on Sunday.. But it's all good now.

Hopefully the crabs/snails will take care of my brown algea.. Either way, I'm giving a new product a try.

It's called Phosphate Control from Blue Line.. It's supposed to bind with the phosphates, and allow my skimmer to skim them out..

We'll see..

I don't have very hi Phosphate levels now.. But every little bit helps right?

--paul
 
In fishing, trolling refers to the practice of traveling in your boat, dragging a lure behind you, and hooking fish that are attracted to the moving lure. An online troll is someone that posts something crazy or insulting for the sole purpose of attracting attention.

The implication is that the list of livestock is huge, and would be inviting disaster if added to a tank all at once. Also, adding 4 XL scooters to a young tank is looked at as a bad idea. I've never had them, but have read that they can decimate a tank's pod population, and then eventually wind up starving. Also, many people don't like hermits and think adding 100 of them, along with 100 snails for them to kill is a bad idea. The (humorous) hope is that you're not really going to do this, and that you're just making it up for the hell of it.

I'm really curious how it turns out in a couple weeks. That's more livestock than I've heard anyone adding to their tank at once, let alone one that's just started. But, you do have a massive tank, tons of LR, and a serious skimmer. It's going to be interesting!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7779560#post7779560 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Rekonn
An online troll is someone that posts something crazy or insulting for the sole purpose of attracting attention.
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I take issue with this.. I wasn't posting to attract attention, more just to ask opinions...

The implication is that the list of livestock is huge, and would be inviting disaster if added to a tank all at once. Also, adding 4 XL scooters to a young tank is looked at as a bad idea. I've never had them, but have read that they can decimate a tank's pod population, and then eventually wind up starving. Also, many people don't like hermits and think adding 100 of them, along with 100 snails for them to kill is a bad idea. The (humorous) hope is that you're not really going to do this, and that you're just making it up for the hell of it.

I'm really curious how it turns out in a couple weeks. That's more livestock than I've heard anyone adding to their tank at once, let alone one that's just started. But, you do have a massive tank, tons of LR, and a serious skimmer. It's going to be interesting!
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Understand here folks I'm not just a newbie doing this for the first time. I've had other tanks before (Last tank was a 200g Tenecor Simplicity plus system, and I learned the pitfals of doing too much, or not enough) I killed alot of fish..... Trust me..

People seem to forget I'm not building a huge reef with SPS corals here.. (Although I have the flow to do it)

I know the tank is still "new" but I also know that the water parameters are doing great.. And that I have TON of rock.. And a TON of Live Sand.. (people seem to forget this) There are a total of 3 pumps on this tank.. Totalling a little over 7000gph of flow..

My fish are literally surfing sometimes.. There is plenty of movement..

Oh, and that skimmer, well, it's pulling crap out by the handfull..

I know the scooters are a gamble.. But they're cute.. And for now, FAT and happy.. They're really going to town on the LR / algea that I had in the tank. They do eat more than just pods.. So, as long as I keep them well fed, it shouldn't be a problem.

That said I heeded the advice of some of the elder statesmen on the site, and I reduced the hermit crab count and upped the snails...

Tell me, this is what I added on Tuesday: (It's not that many fish, so the bio-load won't be too bad)

Both angels are small in size
1 BiColor Angel
1 Lemonpeel Angel
2 L Lawnmower Blenny's
4 XL Scooters (3 inches long)
2 Twinspot Gobys
1 Yellow Eye Spotted Tang
2 XL Yellow Tangs (about 4-5" in size)
4 Emerald Crabs
50 Red Hermits
4 Sally Lightfoots
50 Zebra Hermits
3 Sea Hares (these guys are really taking the sand cleaning to task)
50 Astrea Snails
50 Tropical Turbo Snails
2 Black Brittle Stars


One could make the argument that the 2 XL Tangs would be the biggest bio-load.

I will still be adding the larger tangs.. At more than likely be adding them all at once.. But I will give things a month to settle out. I want to make sure water quality is going to stay where it's at before I go dropping $500 on show grade large tangs...

So, all things being equal, I don't consider myself a troll. I had hoped for a bit better welcome than this....

--paul
 
Really other than the scooters I didn't see a real issue. That is a HUGE tank. I had 2 scooters in a 150 and they were great, they ate everything I put in the tank. The hermits is just a preference thing, if you don't mind refreshing your snails. They essentially become crab food or housing upgrades. But thats just preference. I have an SPS tank so I don't think crabs are a fit - but I miss the little guys.

I know its a good skimmer but I really do think somewhere down the road an upgrade might be a good thing. When things get outta whack with nutrients on a tank that size, cancel the weekend plans. ;-)

I would definitely keep a large non-predatory fuge to keep your pod population up.

Again its preference but I wouldn't add $500 for large tangs. I like watching them grow, and they grow FAST. Better to get medium sized ones and let them grow into your tank. Otherwise it won't be long til you're donating them to Rainforest Cafe. ;-)
 
Please don't be offended! I'm sure the troll comment was just a joke, and others see it that way too (ie sidewinder's LOL response). Looking at all the pictures you've posted and all the details you're going into, it's obvious you're not just making this up. Your approach is just radical to those of us that don't add more than 1 fish a month. I said things are going to be interesting because I've never seen this done before, I'll get a chance to learn by reading about your setup. It looks like you have the experience, equipment and resources to pull this off and I wish you the best!
 
Paul,

Good luck on your tank. Like you, I love tangs (and angels and wrasses and butterflies). I got a bigger tank just so I can keep more tangs and butterflies.

I realize that your skimmer is pulling out loads of junk right now, but it might be undersized. I think ASM skimmers are good and I have used one and liked it a lot. However, you will have a heavily stocked 8' x 3' x 3' tank (~540 gallons) with a G4. I think your skimmer will run out of juice soon. Maybe I believe this because I believe in overskimming.

Tell me how it goes. I am very interested on how well you do.

BTW, I am planning on a 6" deep sand bed. But I will have only about 300 lbs of live rock in my tank 8' x 2.5' x 3' (450 gallons). Just out of curiousity how much rock have you added and how deep is your sand bed?
 
I don't believe for a second you were trolling. You posted pics of your nice big tank. It was also obvious you had big tanks before. The only comments I had were the green brittles and the sohal gets mean. Your tank is certainly big enough for your list. I think the comment was more that newbies shouldn't attempt this at home. :D I know I wouldn't but everyone has their own comfort level. I wish your tank well and maybe you should watch your tank levels a bit over the next 2 weeks. I'm curious if you see a nitrite spike.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7779978#post7779978 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by vanmle
Paul,

Good luck on your tank. Like you, I love tangs (and angels and wrasses and butterflies). I got a bigger tank just so I can keep more tangs and butterflies.
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I really want butterflys too.. But.. If I want to keep any kind of mushrooms/polyps.. I've been told I can't have the flys ;(

I realize that your skimmer is pulling out loads of junk right now, but it might be undersized. I think ASM skimmers are good and I have used one and liked it a lot. However, you will have a heavily stocked 8' x 3' x 3' tank (~540 gallons) with a G4. I think your skimmer will run out of juice soon. Maybe I believe this because I believe in overskimming.
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You really think so? It's a ASM G4X with the recirc mod.. The skimmer body itself is 36" tall... And is rated before the recirc mod @ 475 gallons with the recirc mod I've been told it will handle 600+ gallons..

Tell me how it goes. I am very interested on how well you do.

BTW, I am planning on a 6" deep sand bed. But I will have only about 300 lbs of live rock in my tank 8' x 2.5' x 3' (450 gallons). Just out of curiousity how much rock have you added and how deep is your sand bed?
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Sand varies between 3-5 inches in places.. I would up the amount of LR and definatly use some Live sand if you can get it.

--paul
 
I have always heard that you should take a manufacturer rating on a skimmer and cut it in half for an actual rating. Of course, I think people can be a little over zealous when it comes to big skimmers.

I run the G4X (no recirc mod yet) on my 180 (about 230gal total system volume). I will need to get back to you in a few months and get your opinion on the skimmer with the mod. I think it does a fantastic job of pulling stuff out, but I have to make adjustments more often than I hoped.

I have a single scooter and he ignores every food I put in the tank and he only eats pods. That is why I expressed concern on that. However, the one I have is FAT. I am at a point where I have so many pods I may add another dragonet to control them. At night it is gross how many there are.
 
The Gatevalve mod is well worth it in my opinion..

YOu should do it.. Since I did, I skim really dry now..

--paul
 
No I really don't think a G4 with a single sedra 9000 is anywhere near strong enough. Even with the recirc mod. You will see a tremendously different outcome with a bigger skimmer. It will pull organics out quicker and you won't need to do WC as much. Its just my opinion/experience but ask folks on the large tank forum if they've seen a big difference between a mediocre skimmer and a bigger skimmer. Your tank is huge and your bioload is huge, I do believe you will be much happier (and so will your wet friends) when you upgrade. You actually have one of the smallest skimmers in relation to the size of your tank I've seen in quite a while.

If you need to keep costs down I'd suggest a really nice Beckett.
 
I will look into it.. The ASM thus far seems to be doing the job, however, this skimmer is new to me as well.. So.. I'll see how it goes.

I have connections to get larger skimmers if I need to..

We'll just see how it goes :)

--paul
 
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