For those dosing prodibio bioptim and biodigest

[Ace1]

i dont plan to stop running my Phos reactor with the Bio Digest, but i will get all other media out except carbon...
whenever i feel comfortable running prodibio in my system correctly

 

[Paul_PSU]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13911997#post13911997 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ace1
acpoweradapter: That sounds like a good idea , but Paul is confusing me because it still doesnt address the issue of using too much, one ampoul in a 34 gallon could be overkill??

Maybe it's just me then. When directions say "one ampule for up to 1000 l" I take that to mean that if your system is 1 liter or up to 1000 liters that you dose 1 ampule. For me it doesn't get anymore straight forward than that. If you could possibly overdose then they would have said something like " for systems under 50 liters use 1/2 ampule. JMO

You could always email them if don't believe me :

http://www.prodibio.fr/

 

[acpoweradapter]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13912468#post13912468 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Paul_PSU
Maybe it's just me then. When directions say "one ampule for up to 1000 l" I take that to mean that if your system is 1 liter or up to 1000 liters that you dose 1 ampule. For me it doesn't get anymore straight forward than that. If you could possibly overdose then they would have said something like " for systems under 50 liters use 1/2 ampule. JMO

You could always email them if don't believe me :

http://www.prodibio.fr/

Thats not really what he means I think. If an entire amp will work for a 1000L then it is a waste for someone to use a whole amp on a small tank when a third of one would do. It would make it cost less because we would only have to buy one amp to last 3 doses. No need to waste the extra. I'm sure it wouldn't hurt to dose the whole amp but there is no need to dose it when it won't matter.

 

[SunnyX]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13912256#post13912256 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dave's Reef
Well,

Not sure what I'm gonna do? I think I may discontinue the Phosguard that I'm running and just run carbon in my Phosban reactor (instead of both) once I start the Prodibio? Still like to here feedback from the RC masses on that one I guess.

I went and got my Phosphate and Nitrate checked at a LFS since I don't have the kits and lower levels of PO4 never really read out well on home test kits any way. So, here's my params:

Salinity= 1.025
PH= 8.15 - 8-4 (drops low at night just started running a reverse photo period)
Alk= 9.0 dkh
Cal= 410
Mag= 1400
Nitrate= 25(YIKES!)
PO4= .01 (checked with a photometer)

I was a little confused with the high nitrates and pretty much ZERO PO4??? I'm hoping the Prodibio will bring the nitrates down in line with the PO4 and I'll just continue my heavy feeding schedule of fish and corals! I also started dosing the new Aquavitro "Fuel" along with the coral feedings nightly so, we'll see how things pan out.

I am interested in hearing back from anyone dosing Prodibio that's running carbon and a phosphate remover simultaneously? or if they stopped? or whatever.....

Just curious before I start, thanks!

As with all bacteria driven systems, you do NOT run any phosphate removers. The phosphate remover will out compete the bacteria for nutrients.

Carbon on the other hand is fine. Everyone should run carbon.

 

[Ace1]

Exactly, acpower...... but i have also read that this stuff CAN be overdosed!! and the box and website does say NOT to overdose....

So im just being careful and wanted to know what others were doing, everything is not cut and dry with any business, (Ask the Banks who everybody trust so dearly a few months ago ;-) and Prodibio IS in Business... and they are based out the country.. So Sorry for the paranoia but i just want to get some answers

 

[Ace1]

Sunnyx, What about the high nitrate systems, wouldnt the bacteria feed on that?? as with Daves Reef my N03 is waaay to high but i have no Phos... and i would like to keep it that way.. at least until the bacteria system is in full effect

 

[Dave's Reef]

Thanks Sonny... Love your new tank by the way!

On the nitrates, is that unusual to have them so high and the phosphates so low as I mention above? I was a bit surprised at this...

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13914178#post13914178 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SunnyX
As with all bacteria driven systems, you do NOT run any phosphate removers. The phosphate remover will out compete the bacteria for nutrients.

Carbon on the other hand is fine. Everyone should run carbon.

 

[mpoletti]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13909733#post13909733 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dave's Reef
So how are you monitoring if you "do" need to take them offline? Most test kits won't give very accurate readings at such "low" levels as delivered by Prodibio or other methods.

I use a hanna for my PO4.

I would "know" because its not hard to tell when your corals are changing colors especially if you understand your paramenters.

I have never had a coral bleach overnight due to low nutrients. I closely inspect my tank on a daily basis.

 

[Paul_PSU]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13914105#post13914105 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by acpoweradapter
Thats not really what he means I think. If an entire amp will work for a 1000L then it is a waste for someone to use a whole amp on a small tank when a third of one would do. It would make it cost less because we would only have to buy one amp to last 3 doses. No need to waste the extra. I'm sure it wouldn't hurt to dose the whole amp but there is no need to dose it when it won't matter.

I was only addressing the overdosing issue cause that is what he was talking about. I understand completely what you say about saving $ and using half an ampule if you have say a 50 gallon system as opposed to a 100 gallon. I was just dealing with adding "too much". I still don't think you can overdose by adding an entire ampule of biodigest every 15 days on a 50 gal system since they tell you that you can use for Nitrates spikes on the same system 1 ampule per 15 gallons + 1 ampule in the filter for a one time treatment.

FWIW I emailed Prodibio and am waiting for a response. I will post it when I get it.

Paul

 

[Nuuze]

Does it matter when you dose whether it's before or after lights or while they are on?

I plan on starting BioDigest, vodka & aminos route for my 200g.

BioDigest every 14 days. Vodka daily (currently 6ml daily) and aminos per instructions. For aminos I will be using Elos, Warner Marine & Brightwell Aquatics.

 

[Ace1]

Paul, i email them 2 days ago with no response as of yet, thanx for the input.

by the way what i FWIW?

 

[Ace1]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13914442#post13914442 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Nuuze
Does it matter when you dose whether it's before or after lights or while they are on?

I plan on starting BioDigest, vodka & aminos route for my 200g.

BioDigest every 14 days. Vodka daily (currently 6ml daily) and aminos per instructions. For aminos I will be using Elos, Warner Marine & Brightwell Aquatics.

I second this question..

 

[Paul_PSU]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13914543#post13914543 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ace1
Paul, i email them 2 days ago with no response as of yet, thanx for the input.

by the way what i FWIW?

For What It's Worth...

I guess we can all agree the customer service is not too prompt..:eek1:

 

[Paul_PSU]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13914442#post13914442 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Nuuze
Does it matter when you dose whether it's before or after lights or while they are on?

I plan on starting BioDigest, vodka & aminos route for my 200g.

BioDigest every 14 days. Vodka daily (currently 6ml daily) and aminos per instructions. For aminos I will be using Elos, Warner Marine & Brightwell Aquatics.

I am currently dosing the same thing: Biodigest (15 day), AA(zeo) daily and vodka (1.9ml daily). I always dose everything when I get up in the morning around 6am. I feed later in the day and evening.

Paul

 

[Ace1]

OK i dove in, just dosed the Bio Digest 1/2 the ampoule amount and about 1/2 or the Bioptim..

Had to do it the cyano and all is getting too bad and my nitrates are not budging

i will cut Bio Digest into 1/4 doses from here and keep the Bioptim to 1/2, when that runs out maybe i'll try the Vodka??

 

[Dave's Reef]

Fair enough... It's just that I seem to be getting mixed information on the topic of using phosphate removers while dosing Prodibio.

While you may not "bleach" your corals overnight, I could see where they could begin to slowly lose color and you/we might not notice because we see the tank every day, you know what I mean?

Anyway, just looking for the straight skinny on P04 removers while on Prodibio... Some do some don't I guess? I suppose it may depend on your situation too.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13914308#post13914308 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mpoletti
I use a hanna for my PO4.

I would "know" because its not hard to tell when your corals are changing colors especially if you understand your paramenters.

I have never had a coral bleach overnight due to low nutrients. I closely inspect my tank on a daily basis.

 

[pusanpa]

I recommend Zeostart2 over vodka. My tank look happier + better color with zeostart2.

 

[Ace1]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13916430#post13916430 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pusanpa
I recommend Zeostart2 over vodka. My tank look happier + better color with zeostart2.

Can i use Zeo start2 after dosing the Bio Digest ounce Bioptim runs out??

 

[Ace1]

it doesent seem necessary to keep dosing the bacteria ounce it has been established, seems like all we have to do is feed them and food options for the bactedria are Vodka, sugar, vinager, Zeostart2 and Bioptim..

Is this correct??

 

[acpoweradapter]

I went ahead and tried dosing a whole amp and we will see if it spikes the tank or not. So far it looks fine, we I dosed the ReefBooster it turned my water white for 30 minutes but its all good now.